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Post by donr on Jan 6, 2018 23:31:28 GMT -6
Mic'ing the snare shell is a sweet trick.
Kevin Parker reminds me of Steven Wilson. Great stuff, I hadn't heard it, although people have recommended it to me. Thanks, Ragan! And Cake is great. Oughta be in the RR Hall Of Fame.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 6, 2018 23:34:46 GMT -6
I think in videos I’ve seen of them they typically sport a mono overhead setup. You've seen studio footage of Parker laying down drums? Or maybe you mean live. His drum mic positioning has been often debated and he's pretty cagey about it. Best I've been able to triangulate is that he's got a Rode K2 as a mono OH and a 57 on kick. And something, I think a 421, off to the side of the snare shell. He's confirmed those basics before. But if you've seen footage, hook me up! Supposedly Sm57 - Kick K2 - Overhead AKG D190 - Snare Hole 421 - Snare Top. He also supposedly puts a towel or cardboard on the head. this is the video I was thinking, but it shows something else (around 1:33)
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Post by ragan on Jan 6, 2018 23:55:47 GMT -6
Mic'ing the snare shell is a sweet trick. Kevin Parker reminds me of Steven Wilson. Great stuff, I hadn't heard it, although people have recommended it to me. Thanks, Ragan! And Cake is great. Oughta be in the RR Hall Of Fame. Yeah give those Tame Impala records a spin, Don. I rank it high on my list of expertly crafted psych rock. Edit: the first two ("Innerspeaker" and "Lonerism") are more guitar driven. Really creative stuff.
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Post by yotonic on Jan 7, 2018 0:08:45 GMT -6
Which track you talking, Herbie? Tame Impala Quad Eight
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Post by ragan on Jan 7, 2018 0:11:23 GMT -6
You've seen studio footage of Parker laying down drums? Or maybe you mean live. His drum mic positioning has been often debated and he's pretty cagey about it. Best I've been able to triangulate is that he's got a Rode K2 as a mono OH and a 57 on kick. And something, I think a 421, off to the side of the snare shell. He's confirmed those basics before. But if you've seen footage, hook me up! Supposedly Sm57 - Kick K2 - Overhead AKG D190 - Snare Hole 421 - Snare Top. He also supposedly puts a towel or cardboard on the head. this is the video I was thinking, but it shows something else (around 1:33) Yeah I've seen that. That's (obviously) some practice/jamming footage with various audio spliced over it. I'm pretty sure when Kevin Parker does the Tame Impala records, he plays everything. That's where the Secret Sauce would be I think.
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Post by donr on Jan 7, 2018 0:16:47 GMT -6
Still think the song trumps everything. I’d rather hear an excellent song with a shitty recording than a perfect recording of a shitty song. They call the latter polishing a turd. But there's a lot of that happening these days. The production/fidelity of modern pop is pretty good, never mind the content. (Get off my lawn!) I suppose you could say the same about the transition from the sophisticated music of the 1940's and earlier to the music of the 50's and '60's, except that the fidelity of recorded music from then on got better and better for everything. Today fidelity is expected for all music. What's the last great song that wasn't particularly well recorded you can think of? I have to go back in time, and this is the flip side of Cowboycoalminer's thread. Coming around to the OP, there's nothing I can think of that I would listen to just because it sounded gorgeous, if the content was crap. I'll cop to liking some mass market pop, just because it's well done, Max Martin's songs and productions are an example. Most pro quality recordings sound good enough to enjoy on the merits of the artist's creation.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 7, 2018 12:44:23 GMT -6
This drew me in sonically despite unconventional writing and a home brewed vibe. He goes from this;
to this
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 7, 2018 12:47:09 GMT -6
That said, can anything top this?
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 7, 2018 18:39:49 GMT -6
That said, can anything top this? been on a ryan adams kick the last two years. Love is hell sounds so good. But yeah, he's got the songs.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 7, 2018 18:43:16 GMT -6
Love is Hell is going to be as classic as any Neil Young, Dylan or Springsteen record, just give it time.
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Post by christopher on Jan 13, 2018 15:12:54 GMT -6
Im right there with a lot of stuff on here. I do enjoy the Kevin Parker stuff, its great the way he blends modern pop and classic psych. Eric Valentine also blows me away, QOTSA songs for the deaf is a reference I get into. But for total musical enjoyment I usually dig out stuff from the 70's. So much between 1970 -1980 was made and it sounds incredible in a sonic way, to me at least. I wasn't old enough to experience it when it was new.
Here's one I never knew about until Thanksgiving. I found an awesome book about Texas music for the flight, with suggested listening. Wow!
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Post by Guitar on Jan 13, 2018 15:26:48 GMT -6
This thread should just be called "Good Music," haha.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 13, 2018 16:43:37 GMT -6
Im right there with a lot of stuff on here. I do enjoy the Kevin Parker stuff, its great the way he blends modern pop and classic psych. Eric Valentine also blows me away, QOTSA songs for the deaf is a reference I get into. But for total musical enjoyment I usually dig out stuff from the 70's. So much between 1970 -1980 was made and it sounds incredible in a sonic way, to me at least. I wasn't old enough to experience it when it was new. Here's one I never knew about until Thanksgiving. I found an awesome book about Texas music for the flight, with suggested listening. Wow! You’d never heard of Bob Wills?! What makes Bob holler?! Man... that’s like never hearing of Elvis.
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2018 16:50:09 GMT -6
Im right there with a lot of stuff on here. I do enjoy the Kevin Parker stuff, its great the way he blends modern pop and classic psych. Eric Valentine also blows me away, QOTSA songs for the deaf is a reference I get into. But for total musical enjoyment I usually dig out stuff from the 70's. So much between 1970 -1980 was made and it sounds incredible in a sonic way, to me at least. I wasn't old enough to experience it when it was new. Here's one I never knew about until Thanksgiving. I found an awesome book about Texas music for the flight, with suggested listening. Wow! This is great shit!
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2018 17:03:50 GMT -6
I am an enormous 70s junkie too. I am pretty much head over heels with anything Bill Szymczyk produced. I think if I could pluck one producer for myself out of the decades, it would be him.
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2018 17:10:30 GMT -6
And oh shit. I'm forgetting probably my biggest sonic hero, Jeff Lynne. I love everything he touches.
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2018 17:16:11 GMT -6
I also really like his newer stuff too and I LOVE the 2012 re-do's he did of all the classic ELO stuff. I mean, I'm totally against the revisionist thing on principal, but they just sound so damn good. I spin 'em all the time.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 13, 2018 19:16:54 GMT -6
Great tracks Ragan, the sound of the vocal on Georg Harrison's "Fab" is incredible.
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Post by christopher on Jan 13, 2018 19:31:58 GMT -6
I also really like his newer stuff too and I LOVE the 2012 re-do's he did of all the classic ELO stuff. I mean, I'm totally against the revisionist thing on principal, but they just sound so damn good. I spin 'em all the time. Yeah I'm against the redo's too. But man, WOW they nailed it here! I think I have to change my philosophy on that. Sort of like that Bob Wills stuff now that I think of it. When I heard the Big Balls track in headphones, just floored me how intimate and up close and smooooth it felt. So the first thing I did was try to find out how they tracked it! But I couldn't find any info because the bigger story is a few hours after recording that take he fell into a coma and never woke up again. Kind of amazing that he got to get his songs captured one last time, with a new life and energy. So yeah if any of the classics want to re-track ...maybe I should be like PLEASE DO!
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Post by ragan on Jan 13, 2018 19:53:18 GMT -6
I also really like his newer stuff too and I LOVE the 2012 re-do's he did of all the classic ELO stuff. I mean, I'm totally against the revisionist thing on principal, but they just sound so damn good. I spin 'em all the time. Yeah I'm against the redo's too. But man, WOW they nailed it here! I think I have to change my philosophy on that. Sort of like that Bob Wills stuff now that I think of it. When I heard the Big Balls track in headphones, just floored me how intimate and up close and smooooth it felt. So the first thing I did was try to find out how they tracked it! But I couldn't find any info because the bigger story is a few hours after recording that take he fell into a coma and never woke up again. Kind of amazing that he got to get his songs captured one last time, with a new life and energy. So yeah if any of the classics want to re-track ...maybe I should be like PLEASE DO! Yeah it's just Jeff Lynne playing everything except strings and some piano (he still plays most of the keys). He hangs out in his mansion somewhere outside LA and records constantly. His whole place is wired up. One day he was spinning his old ELO tracks and decided they didn't sound as good as he remembered so he was just like, "Well, I guess I'll re-track them". That guy lives to record.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2018 8:49:53 GMT -6
I can't believe "Life's been good" is 8 minutes long. Doesn't drag at all. What a jam.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 14, 2018 9:45:49 GMT -6
Some of this thread's about music potentially more interesting for sound quality and production than content. I thought I'd go the other way and present how sometimes even the worst sound quality can be interesting too. I did an albums worth of tracks as a song demo in a loft in Cleveland when I was 17. Live, SM57 on a Marshall 1/2 stack, one or two overdubs on a 4 track, one take, done. The distortion's actually from the upload to youtube, it sounds pretty good on the CD.
It was found by a music critic/aficionado, and released as a CD on ARF ARF records unbeknownst to the band, Rolling Stone raved about it, and there was a small cult following online. In 2018, a vinyl edition on Got Kinda Lost records will be released and a possible documentary.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 17, 2018 10:29:04 GMT -6
Not really on topic but this fits into the sonically interesting category I think.
Jacob Collier is an incredible talent.
Check out this live version of Close to You.
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Post by c0rtland on Jan 18, 2018 15:45:31 GMT -6
Alabama shakes sound and color just came on here. That album sounds amazing.
Most studios around here operate like this. This is where the drums go. They are already micd up. Come in and lay down all the drums for the record then we will overdub everything else. Or let's do drum bass and guitars live for the whole record, same setup, then overdub the rest.
The album can end up sounding more like a demo to me. Each song in a lot of cases calls for a different recording approach. One track at a time then switch things up tailored to the next songs vibe.
More work, definitely. ButI think you end up with an infinitely more intriguing record.
From what I gather blake mills did this album that way and it is definitely noticeable to me.
I'm not saying it's wrong or right. Both approaches are needed. I am posting this in the 'sonically interesting' thread.
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Post by swurveman on Jan 18, 2018 16:13:14 GMT -6
I swear I could live for a year without having to listen to any song with a kick and a snare drum in 4/4 time. Perhaps it is working as an engineer, or hearing the same samples over and over and over. Or, maybe I just need a long vacation, but everywhere I go I hear the 4/4 kick snare pattern and it's boring as hell. It has begun to sounds like Muzak to me
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