Lexicon PCM Native Reverb plugin

Thanks! That's all I needed to pull the trigger

There's something to be said for owning classic pieces. I've seen some comments about the AD/DA playing a part in the sound of the hardware units. I figure I can always slap a Kush Transformer plugin on top of it if needed, or any other similar trick.

Jupp I use the PCM too and the VVV are my main verbs for rock pop and fxs documentary sounds.
If it needs to get real as possible I use the Seventh Heaven.

And for some special needs I still own old Midi Verbs and Yamaha Verbs.

The small rooms on the MVII unbeatable to get nice ERs in dense Rock Arrangement...
I love it ... if my unit dies I get a new one from E Bay.

Sounds like a great deal : did you consider Exponential Audio as well ?

Well. Gonna have to check out.

Great minds think alike?  LOL    Seriously, hardware wise, there's really no competition for the Bricasti is there?  And I'm complexly surprised and blown away how much I like the VSR so far.  Really good.  But I still have a huuuuuge amount of exploring to do with it.  <<thumbsup>>

I bet my left leg that they sooner or later come up with a plug in too.
The Seventh Heaven plugin is not too far away from the HW unit.

If they take this as fundament and develop it further.

Time to save $'s !!

I don't think you're going to find a match between Exponential Audio reverbs and Lexicons.  It certainly wasn't my intention to duplicate them.  I'd lived in that world for many years and was frankly eager to move on.  There are probably two fundamental approaches to making reverbs.  One approach is to keep making the same classics over and over again, with a tweak here and there.  There are plenty of plugins that take that approach, and that was certainly the way that Lexicon did things.  I've been gone from there for six years, so I can't speak to their current philosophy. The brand's been through a lot of changes and there's no telling what it will become under Samsung.

The other approach is that of making something new and objectively better.  On the hardware side, Casey is definitely of that mindset.  He's interested in a cleaner sound than Lexicon can do and I think he's succeeded very well in that regard.  For me, I was always aware of how far short Lexicon fell.  That's not intended as an insult to Dave Griesinger (inventor of the 480L).  David was perfectly happy to jettison things he'd done before in search of a better approach (one interest that Dave and I share is classical music).

I'd definitely put myself in that second mindset.  My PhoenixVerb architecture was targeted toward purity, and I've refined that line through NIMBUS and Stratus.  The R2 architecture (and its descendants R4 and Symphony) do have some of the features people like in Lexicon stuff--active tail, quantization error, non-linear reaction, etc--but achieved in a different and more controllable way.  But my approach there was based on an analysis of what people liked about that old style, rather than how it was achieved. I was perfectly happy to leave out what I felt to be some of the fundamental problems.

The way people make their choices has always been an interesting thing for me.  There's always a "better than" way of putting these things, but the choices are really subjective.  The last thing I try to do is talk people out of things they like.  I've always felt that production values are "imprinted" on people in a way.  Whenever music becomes important to someone is likely to have a strong influence on what they believe an appropriate sound should be.  I don't think that reverb developers are immune to this.

If you open a thread, I'll try to be helpful.  Vance and Bob are great guys to learn from and they sure know their stuff.  PhoenixVerb and R2 are my first-generation reverbs and they're quite easy to use.  My second-generation (NIMBUS/R4) came out over the last year and they carry forward from where Phoenix/R2 started. The biggest changes in the second generation are enhanced EQ, a number of dynamic processes, more early reflection patterns, and the warp function (which adds overdrive, compression and so on).  Because they're much more powerful, they benefit from more study by the user.

I've got several surround and 3D reverbs which are probably not relevant to most discussions on this group. They carry forward the basic sounds of my stereo algorithms, but have a number of enhancements targeted toward post and other surround needs, such as greater control in directing early reflections.  I still hold out some hope that surround will have a future in music production.  We gave it a good try in the late 90s--Lex and TC on the hardware side, guys like Bobby Owsinski and Frank Filipetti on the music side. But in those days there were too many delivery formats--CD, HD-DVD, BluRay, SACD, DVD-A, etc--with no clear winner.  No retailer was going to stock all that stuff!  Now the only media option is BluRay (or streaming--yuck), so we're seeing some new work as well as remixes headed that way.  It's a huge investment on the mix room side, but boy does it ever sound good!

I still have and love the PCM91 hardware vocal magic but I use the plugs and a little EQ and very very good.
Bricasti is the one I want... Just cant justify it I don't really mix just track. 

Yes, every now and then I rave about that plugin here.
I use VSR for drum room enhancement in particular, the early reflection control is great, the size control so powerful. Honestly didn't think Ocean Way came close in ability to meld with captured early reflections.

I like Nimbus for an airier sound with uncolored tails, like on acoustics, really like the chambers too. 

But been tempted to get Stratus because some of the room presets with denser early reflections than Nimbus were very impressive.