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Post by scumbum on Jul 26, 2013 19:02:21 GMT -6
Any of you guys drummers ?
I'm trying to learn how to bury the click and I'm having a hard time . Its my snare , its always either before the click or after . I zoom in and look at the grid in pro tools and my snare is always early or late . My kick though is usually close to dead on .
A little trick I've been doing to help practice is I made a guide kick and snare for the song , its snapped to the grid , I then put a reverb timed to the track on it too , so it really emphasizes the groove . I then play to that guide kick and snare , its kinda like training wheels . Its helped alot .
Anyways , wanted to know if anyone else has any tips on learning how to bury that click . I wonder if a drum Lesson would help . I don't wanna learn any rudiments , or jazz beats , just how to bury that pesky CLICK !!
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Post by svart on Jul 26, 2013 19:55:29 GMT -6
I've played for 20 years now. Can't say I've had too much trouble with a click. A couple things you might try.. add some reverb or ambience to it. Try using a look ahead compressor or gate to "round" the attack a bit. Both of those attempt to soften the fast click attack and make it feel more natural. You could also try using sampled drums instead of robotic clicks. Hell, even try changing the frequency of the clicks to something else. You'd be surprised what might work.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2013 20:01:11 GMT -6
Hey scum, this is JMO, but try sub dividing the click to smaller increments, then accent in places to give the click some weight so it feels better, and as musical as possible. I would also suggest not making an obsessive exercise in covering it up, to me drumming is dancing really. Playing drums should be human and emotional, explosive and gentle all at the same time, a click could never pull that off. I've heard your drumming, and your good! In my experience, drummers tend to be in front, or behind the beat as a matter of personality, go with who you are naturally when your playing music, strict gridding out of live drums, just robs soul from the music, youd be better off with BFD if your gonna do that. imo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 20:07:48 GMT -6
I got only one advice to said. practice till you get it ..........
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Post by scumbum on Jul 26, 2013 20:36:01 GMT -6
Hey scum, this is JMO, but try sub dividing the click to smaller increments, then accent in places to give the click some weight so it feels better, and as musical as possible. I would also suggest not making an obsessive exercise in covering it up, to me drumming is dancing really. Playing drums should be human and emotional, explosive and gentle all at the same time, a click could never pull that off. I've heard your drumming, and your good! In my experience, drummers tend to be in front, or behind the beat as a matter of personality, go with who you are naturally when your playing music, strict gridding out of live drums, just robs soul from the music, youd be better off with BFD if your gonna do that. imo Thanks ! I naturally always play ahead of the click . I've heard many people say playing right on top , burying the click doesn't sound good , But I've also heard many session drummers say 90% of the time , producers ask them to bury the click . I'd NEVER grid my drums and sample replace , I HATE THAT ! Thats my biggest problem with modern music . As soon as I hear that drum sound I turn it off . But I do wanna learn how to have control and be able to bury the click , play ahead or behind if I want . Right now all I can do is play ahead . |
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Post by scumbum on Jul 26, 2013 20:40:39 GMT -6
I've played for 20 years now. Can't say I've had too much trouble with a click. A couple things you might try.. add some reverb or ambience to it. Try using a look ahead compressor or gate to "round" the attack a bit. Both of those attempt to soften the fast click attack and make it feel more natural. You could also try using sampled drums instead of robotic clicks. Hell, even try changing the frequency of the clicks to something else. You'd be surprised what might work. I just started playing to a sampled kick and snare with reverb and it helped ALOT ! The regular standard click sound is way too unnatural for me and I can't groove to it . |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 22:15:46 GMT -6
you're forgetting that it shouldn't matter where the beat placement is as long as it FEELS great. Focus on making it FEEL great, don't focus on if you're ahead/behind. Listen to Gospel drummers if you're unsure what great-Feeling drums sound like played to a click.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 26, 2013 22:20:49 GMT -6
you're forgetting that it shouldn't matter where the beat placement is as long as it FEELS great. Focus on making it FEEL great, don't focus on if you're ahead/behind. Listen to Gospel drummers if you're unsure what great-Feeling drums sound like played to a click. hey chuck, would you be pissed if i trolled you around and posted "brought to you by the guy who arranges strings for some of the greatest musicians alive" after all your posts lol!!! BTW, i agree with you, and scums a good drummer with no stinking click IMO! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 19:16:07 GMT -6
IMHO if you play right on the click, you might as well program.
We are humans, not dancers
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Post by svart on Jul 29, 2013 6:54:52 GMT -6
You're right about feel. Sometimes it feels ok to be off time, sometimes it doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 12:37:01 GMT -6
I don't even mess around on drums anymore without a click. Time and practice.
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Post by scumbum on Jul 29, 2013 13:59:21 GMT -6
you're forgetting that it shouldn't matter where the beat placement is as long as it FEELS great. Focus on making it FEEL great, don't focus on if you're ahead/behind. Listen to Gospel drummers if you're unsure what great-Feeling drums sound like played to a click. hey chuck, would you be pissed if i trolled you around and posted "brought to you by the guy who arranges strings for some of the greatest musicians alive" after all your posts lol!!! BTW, i agree with you, and scums a good drummer with no stinking click IMO! Thanks man , but I'm starting to think you have me confused with someone else , Haha . I'm a Ringo type drummer , not fancy , I just try to serve the song . My focus is always on the groove and playing whats good for the song , not on any flashy fills or anything . I feel I just cross the line of being an acceptable drummer . I'm gonna stop focusing on trying to bury the click and just play how I play to it naturally , usually ahead of the click . I'd post my latest song with me drumming to a click but the attached file feature here is I think 1mb ?? Heres something old of me drumming , but its not to a click . This recording is kinda ghetto and simple , only 4 tracks , Kick - Overhead - Guitar - Vocal . |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 29, 2013 20:38:21 GMT -6
hey chuck, would you be pissed if i trolled you around and posted "brought to you by the guy who arranges strings for some of the greatest musicians alive" after all your posts lol!!! BTW, i agree with you, and scums a good drummer with no stinking click IMO! Thanks man , but I'm starting to think you have me confused with someone else , Haha . I'm a Ringo type drummer , not fancy , I just try to serve the song . My focus is always on the groove and playing whats good for the song , not on any flashy fills or anything . I feel I just cross the line of being an acceptable drummer . I'm gonna stop focusing on trying to bury the click and just play how I play to it naturally , usually ahead of the click . I'd post my latest song with me drumming to a click but the attached file feature here is I think 1mb ?? Heres something old of me drumming , but its not to a click . This recording is kinda ghetto and simple , only 4 tracks , Kick - Overhead - Guitar - Vocal . Sounds great scum, there is a difference between "driving"(as in shoving forward with athority) a song, and being ahead of the beat, you sound like your driving that song to me, and you're where you should be. |
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Post by wreck on Jul 30, 2013 9:28:15 GMT -6
I crank the click. Some drummers want to hear it so they float around it. There is plenty of variation in human drumming even if it's in the click.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Jul 30, 2013 17:10:14 GMT -6
This might not work for you, but it did for me: Practice with more subdivisions, record with fewer.
It is harder to be fluid when the click is dictating every beat. I usually do 16th. notes when practicing, and quarter notes when recording. I realize this means I won't be 100% on the beat throughout, but it flows so much better.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Jul 31, 2013 13:51:53 GMT -6
Thanks man , but I'm starting to think you have me confused with someone else , Haha . I'm a Ringo type drummer , not fancy , I just try to serve the song . My focus is always on the groove and playing whats good for the song , not on any flashy fills or anything . I feel I just cross the line of being an acceptable drummer . I'm gonna stop focusing on trying to bury the click and just play how I play to it naturally , usually ahead of the click . I'd post my latest song with me drumming to a click but the attached file feature here is I think 1mb ?? Heres something old of me drumming , but its not to a click . This recording is kinda ghetto and simple , only 4 tracks , Kick - Overhead - Guitar - Vocal . Sounds great scum, there is a difference between "driving"(as in shoving forward with athority) a song, and being ahead of the beat, you sound like your driving that song to me, and you're where you should be. Yeah scum...it like where you are at in pocket of this song. Driving it right along. As far as tempo and groove practice, I like to put a playlist of songs with really deep pocket grooves on it (john mayer-continium for example...Steve Jordan is a monster of groove imo) and play the groove straight from note one to the finish of the song. No fills at all. I also think its important to practice to a click but the whole concept of burying the click as a goal is not one I completely resonate with to be honest. |
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