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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2018 17:03:00 GMT -6
Interesting. I seemed to like B the best here. It sounded a tad more 3d to me. But A is sounding great.
A seemed to do the velvety thing a little more to my ears.
I liked C the least. It had more of a nasally upper mid poking at me. B had a touch of this as well.
Then again, I have somewhat worn ears...
I could use them all in that vein of sounds. I would prefer A and B though.
Would be nice to switch back and forth, as Doc pointed out.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 10, 2018 21:24:30 GMT -6
I thought A was the original, B the Stam, C the reissue. There's a bit more low end on B. I just listened on headphones, and it's remarkable, now that I'm listening even closer. That any one of those is the Stam is a terrific achievement. Can't wait for the reveal now..
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2018 21:55:33 GMT -6
I thought A was the original, B the Stam, C the reissue. There's a bit more low end on B. I just listened on headphones, and it's remarkable, now that I'm listening even closer. That any one of those is the Stam is a terrific achievement. Can't wait for the reveal now.. I am inclined to agree with you about Stam's achievement. After hearing VK's comparison of the vintage unit and the reissue, I was left feeling a bit underwhelmed though I admit maybe their test wasn't a true A/B. This sort of took the dreaming off the table because I would only pay 7k for a u67 reissue if it at least was very close to the original.
I still think I would go back to an ADK z67 for those jones to be fed but the Stam would be a great alternative on my list for the price after hearing this comparison. Money matters and for my money I think I'd be happy with the Stam for this sound.
That however does not mean that the velvet sound of mic A (probably the original) wouldn't haunt me.
If A is the Stam, I will be very impressed and excited.
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Post by mike on Aug 10, 2018 22:52:00 GMT -6
I thought A was the original, B the Stam, C the reissue.
I thought the same.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 11, 2018 0:11:41 GMT -6
I thought A was the original, B the Stam, C the reissue. My thoughts as well.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 11, 2018 13:25:29 GMT -6
My favorite was B. I think that's the Vintage 67. If it's the Stam...like wow! He would have my congrats. All sounded first rate though IMHO. How much of a factor, is that of the top 2 microphones being a bit off axis (above her mouth), to the sound? My guess is that it makes the tone a little darker. Chris
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Post by popmann on Aug 11, 2018 13:55:07 GMT -6
I prefer C.
Soemthing with B is broken. Weird boxy stuff going on. But, that MIGHT be a reflection thing--it made be think B might be the odd man out for positioning?
A is like a lesser version of C to me. Mainly because it's fuller--which frankly might be recitifies by moving A a few inches closer to her.
I'm not sure there's a value in guessing which is which...B could be the odd man out because it's positioning...OR because it's the only 55 year old unit...OR because it's the Stam(the least expensive by far)….it DOES have a nice tone on the sustaining notes, there's just something really odd and boxy--almost like a bad tube resonating with certain frequencies or something. But, it's the odd man out here. IMO.
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Post by nick8801 on Aug 11, 2018 20:30:25 GMT -6
I like C. It sounds the most balanced. B seems to be an exaggeration of the 67 sound but it's a little too rolled off to my ears. A has a weird resonance that bugs me, but it could be placement. I'm guessing A vintage 67, B Stam, and C reissue.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 12, 2018 13:36:53 GMT -6
Listening on cheap hifi speakers I don't know if the mics sound really close or miles apart! I like C the best, I doubt it's the Stam. But I have ordered one, so maybe I got lucky!!!
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Post by EmRR on Aug 12, 2018 13:48:38 GMT -6
Hmm, pick the best Stam out of a lot of how many(?) and put it up against the one original and one reissue on hand. Is that an unfair thought? I don't see any background info about the test at all.
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Post by Ward on Aug 12, 2018 13:51:33 GMT -6
A for it's over all sound on its own. C works great in the busier mix. B sounds a little choked in comparison.
A change of tube in either or all mics would radically change things.
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Post by popmann on Aug 12, 2018 16:08:56 GMT -6
Hmm, pick the best Stam out of a lot of how many(?) and put it up against the one original and one reissue on hand. Is that an unfair thought? I don't see any background info about the test at all. Yes, it's unfair. But, what would you have them do? Track down some minty fresh 1960s microphone from some....I'm not even sure where you might find that....some classical studio in Portugal? Order a bunch of reissues and pick the best of those....to put agains the minty old one and best of the Stam batch? I think all of this misses a huge point. All three of these will produce results that without direct AB....will be identical. The average "new market engineer" is SO lousy at setting vocal compression, and that will make exponentially more difference than the mic--or as much. Did I see someone recently say something about a 3ms attack time on a vocal compressor? Anyway--I've said before that I did an album with tracks (of me) cut with an Sm7, U87AI, and Innertube87--no one has EVER been able to tell which is which correctly (or even CLOSE to correctly) from the end result. And those are not even particularly similar sounding mics. If recording enthusiasts can't tell me which is which with such disparate mics....the nuanced difference of this should be considerably easier to level out. It's not mutually exclusive that there's something SPECIAL about old mics....hell--old gear in general....AND...that's it's not remotely necessary to get good sounding recordings.
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Post by stormymondays on Aug 12, 2018 16:36:36 GMT -6
To me it’s more about how much easier is to get to the final result when using a great mic, but in the end nobody cares or can tell what you used if the performance, song and mic are great.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 12, 2018 17:10:48 GMT -6
I hope Stam reveals the answers soon.
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Post by spindrift on Aug 12, 2018 18:06:46 GMT -6
My guess:
A) Reissue 67 B) Vintage 67 C) Stam 67
Dang...just re-listened....C could be the vintage too. The point is it's tough to tell! There is a 3D depth to B though, which I really like.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 12, 2018 18:38:32 GMT -6
I’d love to hear a warm source in a similar shootout; a warm voice like mine, an upright bass, etc. that would give me another picture of these. Replica’s often lack either in the low end, the high end, or a bit of both. This shows how the higher end seems to work on these, and it’s close.
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 12, 2018 19:36:36 GMT -6
I’d love to hear a warm source in a similar shootout; a warm voice like mine, an upright bass, etc. that would give me another picture of these. Replica’s often lack either in the low end, the high end, or a bit of both. This shows how the higher end seems to work on these, and it’s close. True, and an acoustic guitar and drum kit. I find those sources to really reveal quite a lot. A Steinway D would be good, too.
Haha. I sound spoiled. It would just highlight some things for us, though. Wishful thinking, not a request...
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Post by Guitar on Aug 12, 2018 19:42:24 GMT -6
I think the U67 might be more famous as an instrument microphone, than a lead vocal microphone. But of course I could be wrong.
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 12, 2018 19:46:19 GMT -6
I think the U67 might be more famous as an instrument microphone, than a lead vocal microphone. But of course I could be wrong. You may very well be right. I'm not sure how to tell. I get the vibe that it's both. They used it on so many damn sources in a single session throughout the 60s and 70s it's hard to say. Vocals I love with the 67 sound would be Lou Reed on "Transformer" especially the more intimate songs like "Perfect Day" and "Walk on the Wild Side" and the leads on Rolling Stones Sympathy for the Devil. According the the docu video, SFTD used 67s on drums, acoustic guitar, backing vocals etc.
It's just a killer mic that's been used on any kind of source imaginable for a long time, it seems.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 12, 2018 20:03:34 GMT -6
I think the U67 might be more famous as an instrument microphone, than a lead vocal microphone. But of course I could be wrong. It’s famous for being a workhorse and literally working on anything. It’s used for vocals on a lot of legit styled musical theater albums. You also find it on a lot of female jazz vocals; Natalie Cole, Kristen Chenowith has a new standards album and she is on a U67.
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Post by drumhead57 on Aug 12, 2018 23:43:35 GMT -6
I placed an order last night for 2 SA-67s. I mean, for the price, if it's THAT close to Neumann U67 that good enough for me.
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 12, 2018 23:48:52 GMT -6
I placed an order last night for 2 SA-67s. I mean, for the price, if it's THAT close to Neumann U67 that good enough for me. Based on the recent clip I can't blame you. One has to weigh the difference in sound and price. There's a big price difference between a Stam and a reissue.
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Post by christopher on Aug 13, 2018 0:24:18 GMT -6
A is the sound I want from U67, or any ef86 thing. B sounds like a modern mic to me, probably reissue. C has some character that is different, I'm guessing Stam.
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Post by wiz on Aug 13, 2018 0:33:58 GMT -6
Hmm, pick the best Stam out of a lot of how many(?) and put it up against the one original and one reissue on hand. Is that an unfair thought? I don't see any background info about the test at all. Yes, it's unfair. But, what would you have them do? Track down some minty fresh 1960s microphone from some....I'm not even sure where you might find that....some classical studio in Portugal? Order a bunch of reissues and pick the best of those....to put agains the minty old one and best of the Stam batch? I think all of this misses a huge point. All three of these will produce results that without direct AB....will be identical. The average "new market engineer" is SO lousy at setting vocal compression, and that will make exponentially more difference than the mic--or as much. Did I see someone recently say something about a 3ms attack time on a vocal compressor? Anyway--I've said before that I did an album with tracks (of me) cut with an Sm7, U87AI, and Innertube87--no one has EVER been able to tell which is which correctly (or even CLOSE to correctly) from the end result. And those are not even particularly similar sounding mics. If recording enthusiasts can't tell me which is which with such disparate mics....the nuanced difference of this should be considerably easier to level out. It's not mutually exclusive that there's something SPECIAL about old mics....hell--old gear in general....AND...that's it's not remotely necessary to get good sounding recordings. I think you could inter splice bits from A B and C into one take and people wouldnt care. Now thats cool Cheers Wiz
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 13, 2018 0:36:31 GMT -6
A is the sound I want from U67, or any ef86 thing. B sounds like a modern mic to me, probably reissue. C has some character that is different, I'm guessing Stam. I agree on A having that sound, but I can't decide for sure on B and C.
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