So I'm laying out a pretty straight ahead folk/rock tune in Logic using Drummer and I'm starting with a really basic kick/snare pattern and a shaker. As usual, I'm agonizing over whether I want things to sit 86 or 87 BPM. Then of course I start to realize that maybe I want the chorus at 87 and maybe the verses at 86. Hmm.. The bridge seems to sound better at 85 - but 86 will probably do, and some of the transitions from Chorus to verses feel like they need an ever-so-slight ritard.. Now obviously, I'm splitting hairs.. I could record the whole thing at 86 and maybe the butterfly effect will kick in in a million years and we'll all regret it, but then I get to thinking.. Wait a minute. When I start putting these tracks down, I may play some sections right on, or even push, the beat. While with other's I'm likely to be behind, etc. I know if I was playing this out live with a band, things would be all over the place in an organic push and pull of the beat, so maybe I should just pick the tempo and let it ride.
Is this common? For you engineer types, what's SOP in a pro studio when a band comes in? I'm assuming you forgo the click - let 'em play and then use a beat detective to map things out..?
What about you songwriters who do it from scratch? I mean, I can see if you need to change things 2 or 3 BMP, but do you guys even bother with petty mapping like this?
Post by kcatthedog on Dec 10, 2017 10:32:11 GMT -6
I feel your pain and I don't even know anybody named Monica.
I 'd pick the average beat and do a simple scratch pass and then sit back and listen and see what you feel about it ?
If you really feel other section do need slight tempo changes, easy enough to change the tempo for that section in logic and re record those section within your scratch track, then you have your varied tempo scratch track to develop from ?
I don't see the point in trying to create a tempo map before hand. I would either play it to a click'd tempo....or play it human as you would naturally play it and have Logic map it for you.
I've mapped human tempo forever....but, the only real use for it is so that you can do midi sequencing, which YOU are with the Logic Drummer....but, you asked about recording bands--they play, you record them. Why would I tempo map it? A quick tapped average will get all my delay lines close enough for human beings' timing....markers can navigate sections to jump around the song non linearly. What does having a tempo map add?
That said....it's fairly quick and mostly automatic in modern versions of Logic and Cubase....Music Memos actually does a better job--I'm a little pissed at Apple for that. I don't want to sit in my studio futzing with my PHONE....why can't I record into Logic and do the same thing? And mind you--you can DO it from inside Logic, but it's mechanism and end result is different when it comes from Music Memos. I've done it a lot....and tried all kinds of different ways inside Logic to replicate it.
Anyway--since what you want is the Logic Drummer to play along--just record in Music Memos, make sure it IDs the downbeat properly, and import that to Logic and throw away the useless MIDI bass track.
Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 11, 2017 15:59:45 GMT -6
Never even hear of Music Memos. Is that the same as Voice memos?
If there were different BPM's through a song, would it have any effect on doing overdubs, or does Logic just play it like it's been told, and you play along, or do you need to do each section with different BPM's separately?
Music Memos is Apple's app for doing this very thing. it's the only reason I bought Logic, which I otherwise find a frustrating and half functional piece of kit.
I don't know what you're asking about overdubs, really--Audio in linear. Tempo mapping is just mostly for MIDI....although, Apple IS trying to make their Flex system turn audio into MIDI--which is honestly why I've bailed. But, that's neither hear nor there, I guess....
I just play my song....start to finish....MM makes a tempo map and drum part, import to LPX where I can edit the tempo map and give more specific instructions to the Drummer Track.
Yeah, I tried MM (I think over the summer) and it felt like a toy. I didn't even bother to try importing it into Logic. I guess I'll have to revisit.
I'm new to this so I'm not sure exactly how these things work, but I know that if I play a guitar part live (without a click), even when I want things to be steady, my tempi will vary by 2 or 3 BPM, and I don't think I want that. I mean, if I want to get a real drummer to play down the line, don't I want to give him a steady click? These days, my MO is to send stems to a drummer to be recorded in his studio, and I'm pretty sure there's no Logic there. I guess I'll have to experiment.