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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 7, 2017 21:48:54 GMT -6
I have a track where certain bass notes bloom too big, but others are fine. I should probably have the bass retracked, but if I can fix the notes that are boomy, it might be OK.
I just watched this short Pensado's Place episode on how to tighten your bass. He's using a gate, and it works beautifully.
I get it, but I've never used a gate before. I have the Waves Mercury bundle, and a boatload of UAD, Slate and other brand plug-ins, plus I use Logic, so I assume there's a gate in there somewhere. But, is it a gate I need, or something else?
If a gate is what I need, any particularly good ones you can recommend?
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 7, 2017 21:57:06 GMT -6
When I get tracks that they over compressed the bass on while cutting, I'll use like the SSL channel strip, set the gate to close with the song beat, and then only let it close halfway. You can also make the bass snappy with that gate as well, just fiddle with it, you'll figure it out.
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Post by wiz on Dec 7, 2017 22:11:26 GMT -6
I edit the bass sometimes,to tighten up the end of notes, you can do something like that with a gate, but it won't cure the booming bass note.
Have you tried editing just that note, and bring it down in gain to the level you want.. or is the note somewhere else in the song played correctly where you can copy it from and paste it in?
Send me the bass part, let me know where the problem is and I will see if I can fix it for you.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 7, 2017 22:39:36 GMT -6
Thanks Wiz, Jerome. I'm adding a few more tracks first, and as soon as they're finished and I'm back to mixing, I'll try some of these suggestions.
I was hoping to set a gate once rather than taking time to automate the offending notes. I could say I'm feeling lazy about it, but that's not true. I have so many things to handle at the moment that I hoped there was a simple solution to save me time and frustration.
Wiz, I'll take a crack at it first, and if it's not working, I'll send you the track, thanks so much for your generous offer to help.
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Post by jazznoise on Dec 8, 2017 7:02:44 GMT -6
Usually it's just certain harmonics ringing out in the 120-180 range. A multiband over that range just to push some of those notes back into line will do the trick.
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Post by svart on Dec 8, 2017 7:42:47 GMT -6
I have a track where certain bass notes bloom too big, but others are fine. I should probably have the bass retracked, but if I can fix the notes that are boomy, it might be OK. I just watched this short Pensado's Place episode on how to tighten your bass. He's using a gate, and it works beautifully. I get it, but I've never used a gate before. I have the Waves Mercury bundle, and a boatload of UAD, Slate and other brand plug-ins, plus I use Logic, so I assume there's a gate in there somewhere. But, is it a gate I need, or something else? If a gate is what I need, any particularly good ones you can recommend? What Pensado is doing is using the gate to cut the bass tail shorter.... He's not using it to duck certain notes... So there's a few ways to do what you want. One is to mult your bass, and then place a compressor on one track and use the multed track as the sidechain source after some EQ. Use the EQ to find the offending notes and boost them fairly sharply and use this as your sidechain source while setting the compressor so that it has a very high ratio and the threshold is only really triggering on the notes you want to bring down. Second is to mult the tracks and use filters to turn them into LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH frequency ranges and use copious compression on each to make them behave how you want. Third is straight up multiband compressor. Fourth is to selectively volume automate the specific notes. Fifth is to selectively notch the notes with EQ. Narrow cut to take the majority of the power from the note, but not enough to hear it disappear.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 8, 2017 9:09:56 GMT -6
Thanks Svart, Jazznoise. I think I'll try simple automation first. Since it's a less than a dozen notes, ( I think) , I can probably get that done relatively quickly. I'll try it on one or two notes first. If automating volume doesn't get it, I'll probably try a multi band compressor then. It may be a combination of those two, but I'll search the 120 -180 Hz frequency range carefully.
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Post by joseph on Dec 8, 2017 9:18:25 GMT -6
Yeah for taming bass signals I like dynamic eq, usually TDR Nova, which is free.
Btw this is one of the reasons why I don't like DI bass tracks. Distance from a cab usually prevents this problem.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 8, 2017 9:47:23 GMT -6
Dynamic EQ.
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Post by johneppstein on Dec 9, 2017 11:19:03 GMT -6
I'd try a compressor with a good parametric in the side chain.
Or possibly a multiband.
I, too have come come to dislike DIed bass in most situations, especially if the bass is active - I generally dislike active basses for recording unless they're in the hands of somebody extremely experienced in recording with one because it's really easy to set the active EQ so that it causes pretty much exactly the sort of problem you're talking about here, especially if the player doesn't have a perfectly even control of right hand dynamics - and such problems can be a real PITA to correct.
However in most cases I'd go for retracking the part if possible.
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