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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 9, 2017 15:38:14 GMT -6
Yup. My playing wasn't all that great though, but it's OK in the mix. Eh, it's a tambourine part. As a former accessory percussionist in a jazz band, I can say we are tertiary at best 90% of the time. Nothing wrong with a little push and pull on the beat in most kinds of music. If it weren't so, we'd just use fake tambs on a grid(yuck)
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 9, 2017 15:39:32 GMT -6
Sounds nice and smooth. Funny enough, I recorded a music box type sound from a stuffed bear my son has. It helped him sleep, but it only lasted 7 mins and he would wake up when it ended if he wasn't in a deep sleep. So decided to record it and make a 1 hour loop. I tried the MK67, but it changed the tone of the sound too much. At the time I had the Slate VMS and it was up on a stand. So I recorded it with that. I went through all the emulations and settled on the FG269. Haha. Of course, that emulation didn't hold a candle to the original I tried, but it's kinda funny either way. Sometimes a decent imitation reminds us enough of the real thing that it is still satisfying somehow...
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 9, 2017 16:11:04 GMT -6
Interestingly enough, when I posted my crooning mic shoot out I featured the FG47 alongside the CM49, MK67, and my Altec 639a Ribbon. stevenslate chimed in on it and recommended I try the FG269 and advised he thought it would suit my vocal and the song better than the FG47. A quick trial after ward showed he was very right and know's his products. Of course the FG49 wasn't out yet.
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Post by illacov on Dec 10, 2017 12:59:35 GMT -6
There's clips online of a U67 modified to use a 5703/5840 tube instead of an EF86 or a 701k.
While the transformer itself has some elusive qualities, Neumann still makes the K67 and there are plentiful options for the output transformer with the tertiary winding.
I had a mic that used a 5840 with a K67 and a Chinese 5:1 as the output transformer. It was a plate follower circuit with no filtering and 120V on the B+. It was surprisingly good on most sources but had some serious color when pushed. It was brighter than any 67 I used but also was better when you needed brighter but the color was also needed to tame the brightness.
Since the 5840 is pretty easy to get, I'd go that route with a Jensen 8:1 transformer or a 4:1, a real K67 and good components, maybe spring for a nice audiophile film output capacitor.
Thanks -L.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 10, 2017 16:23:37 GMT -6
illacov, any idea where it's posted? I'd love to hear that.
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Post by illacov on Dec 11, 2017 6:41:11 GMT -6
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 11, 2017 15:00:32 GMT -6
That's very interesting. I actually like the ef86 tube in the second test. However, the ac701 like a 269 sounds great, too. I just think the ef86 u67 is more unique.
The first test was quite close for me in a practical sense.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 11, 2017 15:13:05 GMT -6
Will take a listen either later tonight or tomorrow. Gig tonight.
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Post by drbill on Dec 15, 2017 11:44:25 GMT -6
Recorded an extremely powerful female vocalist yesterday on the RMS269 - RMS269>Chroma-Neve mode>LA2a to knock off some peaks>Avid 16X16. Turned out excellent. She was RIGHT up on the mic and it never got close to folding. Only needed 25dB of gain and was still probably pushing the pre. Like butter. Took all the edge off, and sat in a very retro track nicely. Sorry, can't share the track, and we went long, so I didn't have an opportunity to have her just sing something for demo... But great experience.
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 15, 2017 12:15:10 GMT -6
That's awesome, Doc. I need one of these damned things!
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 15, 2017 22:26:09 GMT -6
Recorded an extremely powerful female vocalist yesterday on the RMS269 - RMS269>Chroma-Neve mode>LA2a to knock off some peaks>Avid 16X16. Turned out excellent. She was RIGHT up on the mic and it never got close to folding. Only needed 25dB of gain and was still probably pushing the pre. Like butter. Took all the edge off, and sat in a very retro track nicely. Sorry, can't share the track, and we went long, so I didn't have an opportunity to have her just sing something for demo... But great experience. That sounds awesome. Wish I could hear it. I should get mine just after Christmas.... I'm doing my best to be patient.
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Post by drbill on Dec 15, 2017 23:23:44 GMT -6
Patience is a virtue.....
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 16, 2017 14:20:36 GMT -6
At any rate, the RMS mic is really good. BTW, the freq response chart scared the crap out of me when I saw it after ordering. Luckily I bought the mic before seeing it, and the mic sounds nothing like it IMO. I'm totally happy to have this mic instead of the MaxMod mic. Cheaper, didn't need a doner mic and IMO, better for my uses. It's funny. It looks like they took the photo right off the 3 Zigma site. It's the same photo for their C-LOL-67 Lolipop Capsule. hybridmic.com/lollipops/Funny enough, it's pretty similar to the BLUE B8 Bottle Cap response, at least in conjunction with the Stage 2. It looks different with the Stage 1. Very different. s3.amazonaws.com/cd.bluemic.com/pdf/bottlerockettwo/manual.pdf
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 16, 2017 14:21:33 GMT -6
Patience is a virtue..... Who said I was virtuous?
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 21, 2017 11:41:37 GMT -6
Just a brief update. On Monday Rob reached out to me to let me know he had run out of power supplies and there would be a delay in getting my new mic. He advised that the mic itself was nearly assembled, but the power supplies for his budget series "LE" microphones may not get in until after the new year. He then told me he was expecting the high end power supplies to arrive by the end of this week and said he would send me an upgraded power supply instead so he could have this out to be by the New Year. I gotta say, that's pretty great customer service. Great contact and a free upgrade due to delays. If this mic is as good as his customer service, this could get expensive. He's got an impressive line up of microphones.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 21, 2017 11:43:59 GMT -6
A better power supply can be the difference between just missing and reaching the sound you're looking for, so that's cool.
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Post by drbill on Dec 21, 2017 12:25:24 GMT -6
I have no idea whether my supply is the low end or high end supply, but I must say that from outward appearances, it is nice. Binder connectors, etc..
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 21, 2017 13:49:37 GMT -6
Just a brief update. On Monday Rob reached out to me to let me know he had run out of power supplies and there would be a delay in getting my new mic. He advised that the mic itself was nearly assembled, but the power supplies for his budget series "LE" microphones may not get in until after the new year. He then told me he was expecting the high end power supplies to arrive by the end of this week and said he would send me an upgraded power supply instead so he could have this out to be by the New Year. I gotta say, that's pretty great customer service. Great contact and a free upgrade due to delays. If this mic is as good as his customer service, this could get expensive. He's got an impressive line up of microphones. Very cool. I wouldn't mind some of his mics thats for certain.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 5, 2018 10:55:23 GMT -6
My RMS269 arrived today. It was delayed due to the storm yesterday. It's in the studio acclimating to the temperature in here. I'll probably leave it most of the day to do that. Maybe I'll open the case up tonight to take a look at it, but I probably won't try it till tomorrow. Not going to risk hurting my new mic. I'll keep everyone posted about my thoughts once I sing a few things through it.
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2018 15:04:32 GMT -6
It's in the studio acclimating to the temperature in here. I'll probably leave it most of the day to do that. Maybe I'll open the case up tonight to take a look at it, but I probably won't try it till tomorrow. Not going to risk hurting my new mic. Vincent - you seem very delicate in the way you break in your mics. I learned something a long time ago about race motors that I think applies to mics as well. I would always break mine in super gentle with heat cycles, oil changes, etc., like the factory advised. My son would drop his in and proceed to thrash the crap out of it. Funny thing....his bikes ALWAYS made more horsepower, were more aggressive and lasted longer than mine. I could never figure it out..... I say put the thing on a stand and start belting into it ASAP!!!! Looking forward to your thoughts....
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Post by EmRR on Jan 5, 2018 16:42:19 GMT -6
Mr Manley in the VTL philosophy book (can you still get it? mine went missing) talked about running capacitors up way over rated voltage and letting them cook a long time. The survivors went into production amplifiers. I wonder what the shrapnel cage looked like....and the vent system.....
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 6, 2018 0:27:51 GMT -6
It's in the studio acclimating to the temperature in here. I'll probably leave it most of the day to do that. Maybe I'll open the case up tonight to take a look at it, but I probably won't try it till tomorrow. Not going to risk hurting my new mic. Vincent - you seem very delicate in the way you break in your mics. I learned something a long time ago about race motors that I think applies to mics as well. I would always break mine in super gentle with heat cycles, oil changes, etc., like the factory advised. My son would drop his in and proceed to thrash the crap out of it. Funny thing....his bikes ALWAYS made more horsepower, were more aggressive and lasted longer than mine. I could never figure it out..... I say put the thing on a stand and start belting into it ASAP!!!! Looking forward to your thoughts.... You know, usually my microphones don't cost me more than $1000. I now find myself in this boutique area and I don't want to screw anything up. I received an email from Craig Calistro on Wednesday warning me about opening and firing up my new FleA 49 when it arrived. He gave me instructions on the best way to proceed to ensure the microphone didn't heat up too quickly and cause damage. Admittedly I really let the 49 sit before using it, cause the last thing I wanted was to damage it. I received the RMS around 11am. I waited about 8 hours and tried it out briefly and decided right away that I really needed to hear it next to the U87ai. So I changed my U87ai back into a U87ai (I had the TLM67 internals in it since I received them). I decided to just do a quick test of a song that I'm hoping to release as a video some time this year. It's Bob Dylan's "Forever Young." It was turned into a "crossover" piece by a group called The Tenors and I've been asked to sing it for an event in the summer. The Tenors used a Bock 251 on their recording (if the music video is to be believed). I've tried my FleA 49 on it and my BLUE Stage II with B0 Cap, which is the closest I have to the Bock 251. I thought this would actually be a nice middle ground and I figured I'd try out the U87ai right next to it for a comparison. Below are two small clips. Both were recorded through the UAD1073, so it's not a perfectly clean signal. www.dropbox.com/sh/2pwq05bezib6ou5/AAAHLmdWA2hjlc4I7uo0Uhz5a?dl=0My thoughts.... If you ever wondered what a U87 would sound like with a tube instead of an FET, this is it. It mellows out some of the bite from the U87ai, which drives me crazy. My only reference to an M269C was recording with jeremygillespie . His room is really nice sounding. My room has a tendency to be a little bright. That said, it has a really nice and present bottom end which is bigger than the U87ai's. Ultimately I bought this microphone for my wife. So I'm hoping to hear her on it and the TLM67 this weekend. I have a feeling this guy is going to be a real contender. So far the U87ai has won out over all the mics I've tried: FleA 49, Advanced Audio CM12LE, CM67LE, CM251, MK67, and the BLUE Stage II with B6 & B8 Caps. Martin John Butler I think you’d like this mic.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 7, 2018 19:59:08 GMT -6
No thoughts?
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 10, 2018 16:05:13 GMT -6
It sounds great! Excellent singing as usual. I really want to hear this vs your Flea 49 on your voice.
I am surprised how close a sound to the u87 it is, which I consider a good thing. It does soften things up a little bit, too.
Very nice!
Got an acoustic guitar laying around somewhere? All that frequency information usually highlights even more differences... just curious.
Didn't log on for a bit. I haven't been able to shake this stomach thing for two weeks. Might have something else going on so I've been going at 50% here...
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 10, 2018 19:19:05 GMT -6
I threw a take with the FleA 49 in the folder, but it was recorded with the UAD88RS not the UAD1073, and in a separate take. Still finding my favorite combinations with the new Mics and my pres and Unison Pres. The RMS269 has more low end reach than the U87ai. The U87ai has this transparent clarity. Frankly, I could use any of these Mics on this track and get them to work. Mister Chase, sorry you’ve been under the weather. I hope you feel better soon.
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