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Post by LesC on Jan 21, 2014 15:16:27 GMT -6
Although this, and it's like, are inevitable, I just find it depressing. I do not like the 'virtualisation' of anything. Indistinguishable or not, it will never be real. I prefer the romance and the soul. I thought this forum was called REAL gear. So fed up of reading Steven Slates endless marketing campaign on 'the other site'. Sincerely hope he doesn't set up his stall over here. Steven has already been here, earlier in this thread. I, for one, appreciate that he's here and hope he stays. I like having direct access to company representatives, and I just don't understand why some want to drive them away. If you think everything he says is bullshit, you can choose to ignore it. I'm going to get in trouble yet again for this, but many in this forum use his products, in what way are they not real?
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Post by Ward on Jan 21, 2014 15:35:17 GMT -6
Although this, and it's like, are inevitable, I just find it depressing. I do not like the 'virtualisation' of anything. Indistinguishable or not, it will never be real. I prefer the romance and the soul. I thought this forum was called REAL gear. So fed up of reading Steven Slates endless marketing campaign on 'the other site'. Sincerely hope he doesn't set up his stall over here. Fair point, but don't ruin it for the rest of us. I prefer real mics, real preamps, real guitars, real amplifiers, real drums and real singers too! But I'm not closed to technological advances. Now, pass me my variax and my kemper. I mo autotune the shiatt out of mah vocals too.
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Post by donr on Jan 21, 2014 16:07:21 GMT -6
I have used Antares Mic modeler plugin to change the vibe of a track with good results. Doesn't seem to mess up the quality of the track it's modifying.
The Slate software with or without the Slate mics/pre might still be useful. All Slate software so far has been useful.
Going to NAMM tomorrow. I might snag Steven's vocal to use as a ring tone when I stop by the Slate Digital booth.
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Post by popmann on Jan 21, 2014 16:51:05 GMT -6
The Roland and Antares and Focusrite actually HAD the DSP you have today...or near enough.
Is there anyone here who things these plug ins are going to be hogging a whole Quad/Octo core in your PC? No? Then they had the processing in a dedicated RISC chip.
Now, I'm FULLY willing to give you that Fabrice&Co can likely do a better job of modeling now with all their experience in doing so-I was really just kidding about the Roland....but, it's not because of DSP power. That....is marketing speak.
Re:Drum recording and $20k worth of these. Why would anyone record a drum kit with Steve Slate Drum Samples at your finger tips? The market for this are the people who would not be using real drums either. Overdub based studios.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 21, 2014 17:21:02 GMT -6
Pop is right about this being great for overdub studios. I have a small overdub/mix room and could see this being hugely handy. Don't need a huge selection of mics to fit the different clients coming in. Even 2k for two mics, ad, and software? Not a bad deal. You can easily spend that on a single good preamp and a single mic that popmann thinks is bs. Haha.
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Post by stevenslate on Jan 21, 2014 19:01:47 GMT -6
Steven, Don't some mics/pres offer a perceived compression, along with harmonics and saturation, especially when tubes are involved? Was that or what were the greatest challenges? How long had you thought about this before you and the team found a way? The tube mics mostly saturate so the dynamic algorithms aren't as crazy as you think. The dynamic mics have a ton of dynamic transient manipulation because we start with such a wider bandwidth source mic with the ML-2. Believe it or nor not, modeling a $79 57 took twice as long as a $20,000 47 tube mic. I just know we've been promised "game changer" sooooo many times before...It's like Ole Miss football for me - I start to believe, then they break my heart... Trying to get Ashley from Slate to comment... "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in..." I think this Slate idea has merit and will surely sell thousands of units on spec whether it's worth a shit or not. So many people dream of having the big mics. And I think it will work because they modeled the software around their OWN hardware. No way in hell this would work if that wasn't the case. Just too many variables. But my guess is, this thing will sound good. Real good but not exactly like a vintage mic. I HOPE I'm wrong about that. Either way, welcome to the board Steven. Thanks! Glad to be here. Since this is dedicated hardware ala the old PT/Box systems, I'm curious to how the software licensing will be handled with this. Will the software be free to download but only work with the unit? Resale is why I'm curious. I mean, would you have to sell and transfer your software license to sell the hardware? Software licensing is with ilok. The software comes with the initial bundle. Resale would happen just like any plugin we make, which is free from us, small transfer fee from ilok. Welcome Steven. Your technological developments and advancements in the products we rely on are most welcome. I look forward to your sharing insight and news of coming products. Will the mic modeling platform allow for third party development where a crafty programmer could introduce a a model or preset for another microphone you have not modeled yet, or will it be all kept in-house? Not planned at this time, but who knows? Did Steven work for Roland like 15+ years ago when they made this box for their V-Studios? Hmm. Haha! You're being silly. If you think that this product is at all similar in any way to the DSP in a Roland V Studio from 15 years ago, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale that I think you'll be interested in Imagine doing everything with these virtual microphones, you'd need about 10 of them doing a drum kit so you would be looking at a $20,000 investment. It would prove to be extremely interesting, however, because one could "change" microphones and preamps in the mixing stage. That would be AWESOME. One thing that hasn't been covered yet, however, is how mic placement affects the ability of the system to perform. Is there a way to "reposition" the microphone in the mix?? No way to reposition in the mix, but you can redrive the preamp and change the gain stage of how hard the mic is being hit. Steven, I have an idea which I'm hoping you'll consider. Can the VMS hardware be detected and used to authorize all your plugins, instead of iLoc? iLoc could continue to be used for non-VMS users. This idea is used by Line 6, for example, to authorize their Pod Farm plugin based on detection of a hardware modeler. Unfortunately not. Maybe in rev2! Although this, and it's like, are inevitable, I just find it depressing. I do not like the 'virtualisation' of anything. Indistinguishable or not, it will never be real. I prefer the romance and the soul. I thought this forum was called REAL gear. So fed up of reading Steven Slates endless marketing campaign on 'the other site'. Sincerely hope he doesn't set up his stall over here. Sorry. Just trying to help. I have used Antares Mic modeler plugin to change the vibe of a track with good results. Doesn't seem to mess up the quality of the track it's modifying. The Slate software with or without the Slate mics/pre might still be useful. All Slate software so far has been useful. Going to NAMM tomorrow. I might snag Steven's vocal to use as a ring tone when I stop by the Slate Digital booth. I would love that! The Roland and Antares and Focusrite actually HAD the DSP you have today...or near enough. Is there anyone here who things these plug ins are going to be hogging a whole Quad/Octo core in your PC? No? Then they had the processing in a dedicated RISC chip. Now, I'm FULLY willing to give you that Fabrice&Co can likely do a better job of modeling now with all their experience in doing so-I was really just kidding about the Roland....but, it's not because of DSP power. That....is marketing speak. Re:Drum recording and $20k worth of these. Why would anyone record a drum kit with Steve Slate Drum Samples at your finger tips? The market for this are the people who would not be using real drums either. Overdub based studios. Not even close. Do you have any idea how much more powerful processing has become in the past three years, let alone fifteen? Cheers, Steven
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Post by lolo on Jan 21, 2014 19:31:21 GMT -6
Great to have you here Steven. Pretty sure you wont get too much grief on this forum. Guys are a bit more relaxed :-)
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2014 19:45:00 GMT -6
IMHO the proliferation of bad-ass plugin software in really the last two years demonstrates that coding and DSP technology is entering a new world. I am still trying to wrap my head around the deep emulation of hardware that is coming to market. Things are being figured out. Gnarly. I am going ITB because of it.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 21, 2014 22:35:08 GMT -6
I am going ITB because of it. Easy, Matt...lets don't get too carried away
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Post by popmann on Jan 21, 2014 23:11:37 GMT -6
IMHO the proliferation of bad-ass plugin software in really the last two years demonstrates that coding and DSP technology is entering a new world. I am still trying to wrap my head around the deep emulation of hardware that is coming to market. Things are being figured out. Gnarly. I am going ITB because of it. I'd be interested in your naming a few. I demo new stuff and it never beats the older plug ins. When I find a new plug in useful, it tends to be a new paradigm of processing. New tools keep stuff interesting...I'll share a free one that's become an addiction for me: www.elysia.com/software/niveau-filter/Similar to Tonelux's "tilt" control (been meaning to activate a demo of Softube's model of THAT, too)...it gives me a whole new way to approach thinking about EQ. Not that you couldn't dial such things in with two shelves set at the same point....but, try sweeping those around--doesn't work. Anyway, it also doesn't suck much CPU...and how cool is a new paradigm for free?
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2014 23:35:32 GMT -6
IMHO the proliferation of bad-ass plugin software in really the last two years demonstrates that coding and DSP technology is entering a new world. I am still trying to wrap my head around the deep emulation of hardware that is coming to market. Things are being figured out. Gnarly. I am going ITB because of it. I'd be interested in your naming a few. Slate VCC and Waves NLS, attempting to model entire consoles. Fabfilter stuff, with their integration of M/S into just about every plug. UAD's Ocean Way in how it not only models the studio but allows the user to "move" mics around. My knowledge of plugins is not encyclopedic by any means, but this sort of approach to coding strikes me as progressive.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2014 23:37:11 GMT -6
I am going ITB because of it. Easy, Matt...lets don't get too carried away No worries cowboy, I still have my STA(s). Will always have at least one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 2:58:34 GMT -6
One of the things I love about this forum, in comparison to the ghastly alternative, is it's lack of pushers. Sure we have manufacturers and designers here but they are also contributing to the community and not just here for their own profit. Slate has made zero posts on this forum for anything other than his own marketing. I think that is inappropriate.
Perhaps we do need that thumbsdown button.
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Post by levon on Jan 22, 2014 4:49:33 GMT -6
One of the things I love about this forum, in comparison to the ghastly alternative, is it's lack of pushers. Sure we have manufacturers and designers here but they are also contributing to the community and not just here for their own profit. Slate has made zero posts on this forum for anything other than his own marketing. I think that is inappropriate. Perhaps we do need that thumbsdown button. That is pretty harsh. Steven has responded to questions and statements here regarding his product. I don't see this as marketing. I value his input because his products live up to the hype. They are good. Also, Steven is used to the way of life and how things are done on that other site, give him time, he'll enjoy the no-nonsense and relaxed style here.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 22, 2014 9:10:30 GMT -6
Although this, and it's like, are inevitable, I just find it depressing. I do not like the 'virtualisation' of anything. Indistinguishable or not, it will never be real. I prefer the romance and the soul. I thought this forum was called REAL gear. So fed up of reading Steven Slates endless marketing campaign on 'the other site'. Sincerely hope he doesn't set up his stall over here. Steven has already been here, earlier in this thread. I, for one, appreciate that he's here and hope he stays. I like having direct access to company representatives, and I just don't understand why some want to drive them away. If you think everything he says is bullshit, you can choose to ignore it. I'm going to get in trouble yet again for this, but many in this forum use his products, in what way are they not real? Can I give this 50 thumbs up?
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Post by LesC on Jan 22, 2014 9:17:16 GMT -6
Thanks John, but that's excessive. I would have been happy with only 47 thumbs up.
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Post by LesC on Jan 22, 2014 9:34:34 GMT -6
Steven, I have a question that I haven't seen covered here or at Gearslutz. This product will ship with 2 mics, I believe an LDC and an SDC. Will all the mic models be useable with both mics? This is important to me, because I would use the LDC for vocals, and I want to be able to check out a u47 compared to an sm57, for example, without having to switch to the SDC.
If all mic models are useable with both mics, does the plugin allow you to specify which mic is being used? Presumably different processing would have to be used to get an LDC or an SDC to sound like a u47.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 22, 2014 9:45:26 GMT -6
One of the things I love about this forum, in comparison to the ghastly alternative, is it's lack of pushers. Sure we have manufacturers and designers here but they are also contributing to the community and not just here for their own profit. Slate has made zero posts on this forum for anything other than his own marketing. I think that is inappropriate. Perhaps we do need that thumbsdown button. Well, right now, I'm fighting the urge not to delete your post. He's here because I INVITED HIM...These guys are not the enemy. He's explaining his product - and during NAMM I might add. I appreciate the hell out of him being here. You can rest assured that I will not let manufacturers or advertisers buy influence over posting or censor anything. BUT - in the same sense, I expect posters to have some sense of decorum and common courtesy...
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Post by watchtower on Jan 22, 2014 10:51:24 GMT -6
Steven, I have a question that I haven't seen covered here or at Gearslutz. This product will ship with 2 mics, I believe an LDC and an SDC. Will all the mic models be useable with both mics? This is important to me, because I would use the LDC for vocals, and I want to be able to check out a u47 compared to an sm57, for example, without having to switch to the SDC. If all mic models are useable with both mics, does the plugin allow you to specify which mic is being used? Presumably different processing would have to be used to get an LDC or an SDC to sound like a u47. I can almost guarantee the models will be specific to the ML1 and ML2. Meaning no SM57 with the LDC. What I want to know is what/how many models will be coming out in the first batch. There's 251, U47, and C12 for the LDC that we can see in the preview video. And cardioid version of R-121, and SM57 so far for the SDC.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jan 22, 2014 11:11:20 GMT -6
Antares came out with their 'mic modeler' software years ago. They even included a modified Audio Upgrades AKG 414B-ULS in their samples.
Not considered is that all these emulations require digital conversion. A perfect simulation requires perfect conversion. Neither are available today.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 22, 2014 11:59:26 GMT -6
[quote author=" jimwilliams" source="/post/13592/thread"Not considered is that all these emulations require digital conversion. A perfect simulation requires perfect conversion. Neither are available today.[/quote] That is considered though. The mics come with their own pres and converters. Thus the simulation and conversion is accounted for.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 22, 2014 13:47:35 GMT -6
One of the things I love about this forum, in comparison to the ghastly alternative, is it's lack of pushers. Sure we have manufacturers and designers here but they are also contributing to the community and not just here for their own profit. Slate has made zero posts on this forum for anything other than his own marketing. I think that is inappropriate. Perhaps we do need that thumbsdown button. That is pretty harsh. Steven has responded to questions and statements here regarding his product. I don't see this as marketing. I value his input because his products live up to the hype. They are good. Also, Steven is used to the way of life and how things are done on that other site, give him time, he'll enjoy the no-nonsense and relaxed style here. I agree. I believe he was invited here to talk about this product. This board is still in it's infancy, not everyone is aware that it's even here yet. It would be great if we could keep it to a unit of non bickering pros so we can keep the noise down. Slate is pro if there ever was one. I for one more than welcome him here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 15:45:21 GMT -6
Imagine doing everything with these virtual microphones, you'd need about 10 of them doing a drum kit so you would be looking at a $20,000 investment. It would prove to be extremely interesting, however, because one could "change" microphones and preamps in the mixing stage. That would be AWESOME. One thing that hasn't been covered yet, however, is how mic placement affects the ability of the system to perform. Is there a way to "reposition" the microphone in the mix?? Wait cause he's going to probably do an 8 channel interface like this. 20k for a front end is affordable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 16:00:08 GMT -6
Starting to look a little purple around here. Huge thanks to Steven for being here.
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Post by Ward on Jan 22, 2014 19:55:59 GMT -6
Starting to look a little purple around here. Huge thanks to Steven for being here. I dunno... we're openly talking, correcting each other and voluntarily sharing information - all without fear of being banned or censured. That's not very purple.
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