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Post by stormymondays on Oct 22, 2017 6:01:58 GMT -6
I've been looking for the EMI style filter myself. I did get one of the cheapies, I forget where from. It's reasonably well built but I haven't really tested the impact on the sound. I think the closest to the EMI was the Pearlman filter but it seems it's long out of production.
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Post by svart on Oct 22, 2017 8:14:47 GMT -6
Time and Time again I've tried metal grilled pop filters..
They always make a harsh PHHH should when you actually hard P into them, which cloth does not.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 9:39:43 GMT -6
Great feedback guys, thanks. It would be cool if Sweetwater or B&H did a pop filter shootout!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 22, 2017 9:52:50 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Oct 22, 2017 11:11:55 GMT -6
I find the Stedman unsuitable for vocals. It took me a long time to connect it to the weird "buzz" I was getting on sustained vowels....but, sure enough. I now use it as a safety screen for the Royer on the amps. I've not tried the new odd pourous foam things. I hate traditional foam--I've detailed many times how it must be removed for sm7 vocals to shine. Just put an old school nylon in front of it instead.
I actually think that Stedman buzz likely colored my opinion of a lot of Chinese LDC coming through. It's not what makes the ugly sibilant garbage....or oft truly weird proximity response....but, that sustain buzz might have come from the Stedman OR their poor attention to grill detail.
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Post by iamasound on Oct 22, 2017 13:55:06 GMT -6
Perhaps I'm the odd man out, but I have had success when using the Rycote shock mount with their pop filter www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/InVision-Shockmounts/ci/14004/N/4232859023 It works as advertised by defeating all but the puffiest popping plosives without introducing sssibilance. It doesn't use an evil gooseneck as we don't need no stinkin' goosenecks 'round here.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 22, 2017 14:10:29 GMT -6
I'm usually a sound quality before cosmetics guy, but I just couldn't look at that sponge filter in front of a beautiful mic and not want to throw it away. It looks like a creature from Star Trek ;-) Sorry about that, I really do appreciate the valuable info and insight here for sure. I have a standard pop filter a friend gave me, so I don't have to rush to buy one. I just liked the style of the EMI one and hoped I could get one too. I'd love to hear the Stedman, the Blue and MXL and compare. I don't really need a pop filter personally, I stay far enough away enough away from the mic to avoid trouble. I see the EMI filter as protection if I want to get a close and intimate sound once in a while. From what John said, it's clearly not as simple as it seems. But if the EMI filter is indeed superior, but not commercially available, I'm sure someone can copy the design closely enough to achieve the same kind of quality. The commercially made curved metal filters are generally better than the usual flat ones IMO, but with my sibilance problem I don't use them. According to my source (And I'm pretty sure that Spock knows who I'm talking about - he should, anyway) the Abbey Road is head and shoulders above any of them. Wish I could afford one.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 22, 2017 14:17:38 GMT -6
Time and Time again I've tried metal grilled pop filters.. They always make a harsh PHHH should when you actually hard P into them, which cloth does not. Well, I didn't experience that with the one I got (a Blue, IIRC) but my problem tends more toward sibilance than hard P-pops, and the flat cloth ones I've used tend to accentuate that a bit. Distance from the mic is important - the ones that clip directly on the mic at a fixed, close distance are best, at least if they got the distance right. I think I've mentioned it before, but these days I don't use a pop filter at all on my voice, and control those problems with mic placement.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 14:20:57 GMT -6
I'm glad you mentioned that popmann, the Stedman was one of the pop filters I was considering, so I'll take your experience into account. I have a Rycote mount, but it looks like you have to keep the mic fairly low in the basket for their filter to align with the capsule. I usually like my mic sitting higher up in the saddle. Still, it's kind of cool to have the filter designed for the shock mount.
I still hope to hear someone's had both and likes metal filter "XYZ" better :-) I just love the design. But Svart's comments gave me pause.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 22, 2017 14:24:24 GMT -6
I actually think that Stedman buzz likely colored my opinion of a lot of Chinese LDC coming through. It's not what makes the ugly sibilant garbage....or oft truly weird proximity response....but, that sustain buzz might have come from the Stedman OR their poor attention to grill detail. I never use any kind of mechanical filter or anything else that might interfere with an unobstructed evaluation when trying out mics. It just doesn't seem right to me. I might use a pencil on a long ribbon, but needing that usually just means you're too close...
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Post by stormymondays on Oct 22, 2017 14:31:10 GMT -6
The Rycote mount+filter is fantastic, pity I can't use it on my JZ V67. For that mic, gooseneck and cloth is the only option. Or get another stand and put the Rycote on it.
I should do a shootout of my own pop filters. I already got a list of things to check from this thread:
- Ps and plosives (obviously) - Sibilance - Long sustained vowels (buzz sounds?) - Check for tonality changes
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Post by spock on Oct 22, 2017 18:41:46 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 22, 2017 19:22:10 GMT -6
I still want one ! Not this minute though, so maybe I'll get to try some of the other brands that are similar, just to check if a metal screen has any negative effects.
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Post by popmann on Oct 22, 2017 22:44:13 GMT -6
FWIW--my comments was about Stedman pop filters. Only. No experience with other metal ones--and since nearly all mics have metal grilles....it's not like being metal causes the issue. It's the one design. Maybe it's others made out of who knows what....you should audition anything you stick there. But, I want to be clear it's not because of the metal....it's because of the specific design they use.
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Post by m03 on Oct 22, 2017 23:26:57 GMT -6
pity I can't use it on my JZ V67 Speaking of JZ, has anyone tried the JZ Pop Filter? Seems pricey for what it is, but I'm all for throwing money at problems
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Post by keymod on Oct 23, 2017 3:06:54 GMT -6
anyone ever stretch a pair of old nylons over a metal pop screen? I just asked my girlfriend for a pair and am going to try it sometime this week.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 23, 2017 9:05:34 GMT -6
I needed a Rycote mount, so I got the package with the pop filter. Seems to work fine, but I haven't had a lot of time with it yet, or really made comparisons.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 23, 2017 9:34:41 GMT -6
I use the $2 Chinese ones linked above. I think they work great. The main benefit for me is no cumbersome gooseneck nonsense to deal with. No drooping over time. Easy to cover the mic with a plastic bag when not in use, including pop screen. I have some goosenecks on standby of course, metal and fabric.
The differences are so subtle to my ear that I put no thought into selection. I've got bigger fish to fry.
The nice thing about the $2 is my friend, who is a "pro" stepped all over it and destroyed it, and I didn't even really have to care. Waiting for the next batch to come in the mail box.
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Post by yotonic on Oct 23, 2017 9:54:54 GMT -6
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Post by m03 on Oct 23, 2017 10:22:29 GMT -6
cover the mic with a plastic bag when not in use Wouldn't that create a situation where moisture can build up around the mic?
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Post by Guitar on Oct 23, 2017 10:32:24 GMT -6
cover the mic with a plastic bag when not in use Wouldn't that create a situation where moisture can build up around the mic? I use large clear kitchen bags, ziplock, so there is a lot of breathing room around the bottom/opening of the bag when placed on a condenser mic. There is a dehumidifier in each of my rooms to hopefully keep the ambient moisture under control, especially on a rainy day like today. The idea is to keep dust off of the diaphragms, because Shannon is already so busy, hehe. Especially on a mic with a single layer mesh headbasket this could be important. I keep foam windscreens over top of my ribbons when left on the stand just to prevent any accidental wind or knocking around from stretching the ribbons. The old Crown Royal bags and all that can actually emit small fibers of their own. So the plastic bag method is a bit of a secret trick. I forget which studio I picked it up from, but it's one of the big ones you've heard of before. I have a lot of mics set up at all times "on the ready" so I have to keep them in good health.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 23, 2017 10:32:57 GMT -6
Thanks yotyonic, 've seen that before and if I was a studio owner, I'd consider one of those for lead vocals, unless one of the EMI style copies was as good or better. It's too expensive for me right now..
m03, If the bag is open at the bottom, no moisture happens.
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Post by bowie on Oct 23, 2017 13:19:05 GMT -6
Yah they look the same but the windtech claims to be made in the usa. Interesting. Spock, that looks like a sponge on a stand. Very curious about it though. Yeah sponge Like is a good way to describe it, very effective in that it stayed out of the way. I think that's the way to go. After much research, I found a few saying that the sponge-type was the most sonically transparent so I bought some of the thinner Rycote replacements in bulk for $13 www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/766039-REG/Rycote_045004_InVision_Universal_Pop_Filter.htmland made my own holder using an old gooseneck that I liked. Now, I don't use my Stedmann anymore. The foam types aren't completely transparent (nothing is) but I've found the thin Rycote foams to be better than any of the mesh types when it comes to high frequencies and I don't get any of the occasional odd ringing/metallic noises I was getting with the Stedmann.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 13:53:57 GMT -6
I love the Rycote too.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 23, 2017 16:09:34 GMT -6
FWIW--my comments was about Stedman pop filters. Only. No experience with other metal ones--and since nearly all mics have metal grilles....it's not like being metal causes the issue. It's the one design. Maybe it's others made out of who knows what....you should audition anything you stick there. But, I want to be clear it's not because of the metal....it's because of the specific design they use. This is just a guess, but I'm thinking that what you observed might have something to do with the angle of the metal around the holes of the punched, not woven screen.
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