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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 8:46:22 GMT -6
I read an opinion online that the Neumann pop filter, the one you see in the Beatles photos is the best sounding one. What I love about it is its simple elegance. I hate those ugly goose neck things, and they add weight to the mic stand. I've seen the Neumann pop filter once for $200. At AES, I noticed a copy of that filter on the MXL Genesis mic, so I asked the rep if they were available for sale separately, and they said no. I said why not? He asked what I thought the price should be, and I said at $24.95 - $29.95 you'd sell thousands. So I went on eBay and found some for around $50-$60. My question is, does the Neumann truly sound better or as good as whatever is considered the best pop filter Second question, is the MXL version as good or very close?
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 21, 2017 13:17:02 GMT -6
I read an opinion online that the Neumann pop filter, the one you see in the Beatles photos is the best sounding one. What I love about it is its simple elegance. I hate those ugly goose neck things, and they add wight to the mic stand. I've seen theNeumann pop filter once for $200. At AES, I noticed a copy of that filter on the MXL Genesis mic, so I asked the rep if they were available for sale separately, and they said no. I said why not? He asked what I thought the price should be, and I said at $24.95 - $29.95 you'd sell thousands. So I went on eBay and found some for around $50-$60. My question is, does the Neumann truly sound better or as good as whatever is considered the best pop filter Second question, is the MXL version as good or very close? I could be wrong about this, but IIRC I was told by somebody in a position to know that the Beatles pop filter was not a Neumann, it was a custom job created by the folks at Abbey Road/EMI. And it's not actually that simple. It has the curved wide(r) mesh outer screen with a finer mesh flat screen mounted behind it. I believe that a couple of years ago somebody brought out a reproduction of the Abbey Road pop filter for about $200. And yes, I'm told that it's superior to any other. And no, the MXL isn't close.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 14:07:13 GMT -6
Thanks John. I was hoping they managed to really do it right, but then it is MXL.. ugh..
Peluso makes one too, I wonder how that one compares.
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Post by spock on Oct 21, 2017 14:15:13 GMT -6
johneppstein Is correct, it was a custom EMI job; our Australia distributor has one (on their REDD Mic), I’ll find the pic he sent and post, pretty cool.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 14:17:20 GMT -6
Dang, that's cool. I'd love to know more about it.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 14:30:22 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 14:50:45 GMT -6
Thanks Chase. Those are good, and that's what I'll buy if I can't find one like the EMI filter. That's why I was posting about the EMI pop filter, I wanted one that was small and elegant, those goose necks bug me. See my original post ;-)
The MXL would be OK with me if it worked as well as the Steadman or was close to the EMI.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 21, 2017 15:53:34 GMT -6
You don’t need a EMI Pop filter haha. You may want one but you are only buying a name. The mxl, blue, stedman all work great and for most purposes achieve the same results. The stedman I linked is super light weight and won’t weigh a cheap mic stand down. I know b/c I have had crappy mic stands with it 😂
Also the mxl and blue is wayyyyy to close to close to the mics capsule and from experience, singers or rappers want to get right up close to the mxl or blue.. The stedman allows me to keep the singers /Rappers at a better distance from the capsule for a better, more balanced recording always. Pick one and make some kick ass music 😀
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Post by winetree on Oct 21, 2017 16:07:11 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Oct 21, 2017 16:25:01 GMT -6
Ahaha ha I just bought 2. Lol
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 16:25:55 GMT -6
Thanks winetree, I've seen those. That ad made me wonder how anything that costs $1.28 be shipped from China for free. I'd imagine the shipping costs more than you'd pay.
What I'm looking for here is to see if anyone's had some experience with these filters. Who's used the EMI, the MXL, the Pearlman, the cheap $5 ones on eBay, and hopefully, someone's used a few and can offer some advice based on using different versions of these.
I just don't want to waste money on something that doesn't sound at least as good as the Steadman Chase recommends. I know that one works well. There are some very expensive pop screens out there, I'd like to know if that buys better quality or if it's just hype.
Chase makes a good point about the filter being close to the mic. I'd be the main user, and of the few people I know who I'd use for backing vocals, they'd sing from whatever distance I asked them to. The other kind would definitely be a good idea for a working studio situation though.
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Post by spock on Oct 21, 2017 16:27:30 GMT -6
There’s this iniresting pop filter that Michael Wagener swears by, says it does effect the sound, but does the job; I experienced it at his place. Uhm what’s the name of it again...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 16:36:59 GMT -6
I'd like to know more about that spock if you can dig up some more details.
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Post by john on Oct 21, 2017 18:28:09 GMT -6
Hi Martin, I’ve been using this on my wa-87. Works as it should and similar in style. WINDTECH
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Post by winetree on Oct 21, 2017 18:40:57 GMT -6
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Post by spock on Oct 21, 2017 19:23:13 GMT -6
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Post by john on Oct 21, 2017 20:29:32 GMT -6
Yah they look the same but the windtech claims to be made in the usa. Interesting. Spock, that looks like a sponge on a stand. Very curious about it though.
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Post by spock on Oct 21, 2017 20:30:39 GMT -6
Yah they look the same but the windtech claims to be made in the usa. Interesting. Spock, that looks like a sponge on a stand. Very curious about it though. Yeah sponge Like is a good way to describe it, very effective in that it stayed out of the way.
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Post by john on Oct 21, 2017 20:32:17 GMT -6
Yah they look the same but the windtech claims to be made in the usa. Interesting. Spock, that looks like a sponge on a stand. Very curious about it though. Yeah sponge Like is a good way to describe it, very effective in that it stayed out of the way. Very cool, might give it a whirl next time I’m in need.
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Post by Ward on Oct 21, 2017 20:57:05 GMT -6
Stedman here too!! Best results ever
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Post by c0rtland on Oct 21, 2017 21:05:46 GMT -6
Microtech gefell makes one identical to the hakan for a bit less.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 21, 2017 21:08:15 GMT -6
You don’t need a EMI Pop filter haha. You may want one but you are only buying a name. The mxl, blue, stedman all work great and for most purposes achieve the same results. The stedman I linked is super light weight and won’t weigh a cheap mic stand down. I know b/c I have had crappy mic stands with it 😂 Also the mxl and blue is wayyyyy to close to close to the mics capsule and from experience, singers or rappers want to get right up close to the mxl or blue.. The stedman allows me to keep the singers /Rappers at a better distance from the capsule for a better, more balanced recording always. Pick one and make some kick ass music 😀 Well, no, you're really not. There's a reason for the unique double screen design - its not done by accident or for cosmetic reasons. The two different mesh sizes and the combination of curved and straight screens fixed at an acoustically determined distance apart form a carefully designed acoustic filter, eliminating the sibilance that's present with other pop filters without noticeably affecting sound quality. The distance that the filter assembly sits from the screen of the mic is also part of the acoustic tuning.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2017 21:28:59 GMT -6
I'm usually a sound quality before cosmetics guy, but I just couldn't look at that sponge filter in front of a beautiful mic and not want to throw it away. It looks like a creature from Star Trek ;-)
Sorry about that, I really do appreciate the valuable info and insight here for sure. I have a standard pop filter a friend gave me, so I don't have to rush to buy one. I just liked the style of the EMI one and hoped I could get one too.
I'd love to hear the Stedman, the Blue and MXL and compare. I don't really need a pop filter personally, I stay far enough away enough away from the mic to avoid trouble. I see the EMI filter as protection if I want to get a close and intimate sound once in a while.
From what John said, it's clearly not as simple as it seems. But if the EMI filter is indeed superior, but not commercially available, I'm sure someone can copy the design closely enough to achieve the same kind of quality.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 21, 2017 22:33:29 GMT -6
That's not the same design. Not even close. On the Abbey Road the inner fine screen is FLAT -straight across behind the curved front screen. There's a crescent shaped air pocket between the two, flat in the back, curved in the front.
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Post by keymod on Oct 22, 2017 5:37:13 GMT -6
I have a Stedman. It is well-built and does the job. However, I find that the gooseneck part of it sometimes moves away from where it gets positioned. That seems to be the weak link.
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