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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 13, 2017 9:13:00 GMT -6
Thanks guys, maybe I'll start a Symphony vs. Apollo thread..
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 13, 2017 9:18:39 GMT -6
Thanks guys, maybe I'll start a Symphony vs. Apollo thread.. Lol leave that for gearslutz
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 13, 2017 11:45:31 GMT -6
Hey Chuck, you've heard both, what do you think?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 13, 2017 14:41:58 GMT -6
Martin John Butler What jcoutu1 said what I was going to say! Until you track and mix in a good treated space and room, I don’t think a symphony or Apollo will change much.. Take a small piece of your budget and Hire someone to Mix one of your records you have tracked and see what they can achieve with your song.. you may be very surprised, you may not. The big rich blah blah blah adjectives you use to describe the symphony files is not due to the converter otherwise everyone could track wherever with whatever ( talent non factor as well ) and just run their sounds thru the magic converter and instantly get that “ radio ready #1on billboard “ sound ... If symphony truly did that apogee would have a monopoly on the converter/ interface market.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 14, 2017 14:50:35 GMT -6
I think line stages are very underestimated. A converter is a radio station next to low-level audio signals. Board layout and grounding are everything along with digital and analog power supplies that don't talk to each other.
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Post by ericn on Oct 14, 2017 19:35:25 GMT -6
I think line stages are very underestimated. A converter is a radio station next to low-level audio signals. Board layout and grounding are everything along with digital and analog power supplies that don't talk to each other. Not that I in anyway disagree, but having heard the simple evaluation boards JW suggested it strikes me that 90% of what passes for converter design is simply how much cheaper can we build it.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 14, 2017 21:18:49 GMT -6
I think line stages are very underestimated. A converter is a radio station next to low-level audio signals. Board layout and grounding are everything along with digital and analog power supplies that don't talk to each other. Not that I in anyway disagree, but having heard the simple evaluation boards JW suggested it strikes me that 90% of what passes for converter design is simply how much cheaper can we build it. Yes. Why don't we have a headpalm smiley?
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Post by adamjbrass on Oct 16, 2017 7:15:25 GMT -6
I think line stages are very underestimated. A converter is a radio station next to low-level audio signals. Board layout and grounding are everything along with digital and analog power supplies that don't talk to each other. +1!! Hash Tag, Analog Hash Tag, Power Supply Hash tag, the entire environment of the AD/DA converter as a properly functioning device with specifications to match. Lately and not so Lately, I notice people always gravitate towards the clocking as "the issue"....But they forget about the "-Cheap-o Buffer'y Chips, -Craptastic Phase-Distort Filtering, and added noise from un workable power supply topology...So you must add mucho grande jitter from an external crystal device, since the internal crystal device is wrong. Yay!
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2017 7:45:11 GMT -6
I think line stages are very underestimated. A converter is a radio station next to low-level audio signals. Board layout and grounding are everything along with digital and analog power supplies that don't talk to each other. +1!! Hash Tag, Analog Hash Tag, Power Supply Hash tag, the entire environment of the AD/DA converter as a properly functioning device with specifications to match. Lately and not so Lately, I notice people always gravitate towards the clocking as "the issue"....But they forget about the "-Cheap-o Buffer'y Chips, -Craptastic Phase-Distort Filtering, and added noise from un workable power supply topology...So you must add mucho grande jitter from an external crystal device, since the internal crystal device is wrong. Yay! Yeah see 2 posts above! 90% of what passes for converter design is how cheap can we do it ! The other fun part is of course so what's going to be the industries Interface flavor of the month! Example there are no high quality ADAT Optical interface Chips! I remember talking to the Panasonic guys about Clocking their Converters, in a large system, 8 or more boxes, they assumed that there would be a " house sync / word clock master ", other wise no real need.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 16, 2017 12:27:46 GMT -6
The reason classic gear is better is that it was leased with a service contract or competing with leased gear. The cheapest way to do that was quality construction.
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2017 17:32:07 GMT -6
The reason classic gear is better is that it was leased with a service contract or competing with leased gear. The cheapest way to do that was quality construction. Yeah and you could tell the "pro-sumer" gear just by looking at it, that said I'll admit to loving My Teac 70-8 & Tangent 1202, though the Teacher model 3 that I lusted after for some years was a sonic disappointment, but a great lesson in the advantages of routing!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 16, 2017 20:40:43 GMT -6
I think line stages are very underestimated. A converter is a radio station next to low-level audio signals. Board layout and grounding are everything along with digital and analog power supplies that don't talk to each other. +1!! Hash Tag, Analog Hash Tag, Power Supply Hash tag, the entire environment of the AD/DA converter as a properly functioning device with specifications to match. Shift-3, bro lol
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Post by javamad on Jan 31, 2018 4:40:15 GMT -6
Ferrofish have a good cheap A/D D/A converter .. but its not an interface. However you can hook it up to a cheap interface like an Audient iD4 or Apollo Twin via optical. But now you’re missing pre’s...
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