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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 2, 2017 13:15:14 GMT -6
We have a new contender joining the Slate VMS and Townsend Labs, Antlelope's Audio Edge. Looks like you need an antelope interface though. I had heard about it in the past, but it's officially coming soon on Sweetwater. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EdgeMic
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2017 15:02:10 GMT -6
Just can't get into this. If plug-in's weren't bad enough, now we have modeled mics too..... <sigh>
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 2, 2017 15:20:14 GMT -6
I with you Dr. Bill: give me the news !!
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 2, 2017 15:23:15 GMT -6
Mankind's capacity for self-delusional wishful thinking never fails to amaze me.
I'm a bit disappointed in Antelope for jumping on this particular bandwagon....
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Post by m03 on Oct 2, 2017 15:27:03 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2017 16:00:33 GMT -6
Just can't get into this. If plug-in's weren't bad enough, now we have modeled mics too..... <sigh> Been there done that!
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Post by drbill on Oct 2, 2017 16:27:47 GMT -6
Somewhere, sometime, far, far down the line.....I suspect the whole "modeling" thing is going to be seen as a giant detour off incredible audio. There is zero doubt that there are some amazing plug-ins, but I have yet to find an amazing plug-in clone of an iconic piece of hardware. Same goes for mics I fear.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 2, 2017 16:56:39 GMT -6
I don't know, guys. have you heard the songs that are #1 on Billboard lately? your fancy iconic piece of hardware doesn't really matter anymore. The songs getting hundreds of millions of youtube views sound like absolute shit, like the vocals were cut on an iPhone via GarageBand. But that's what is popular now. 195M views: Basically, the same song but with shittier vocals, recorded 3 years earlier. 113M views: You can covet all of that vintage analog gear you want, but the market speaks for how much they care about the gear used to make the music that is #1 on Billboard today... s1.postimg.org/7z9l9eob0f/Screen_Shot_2017-10-02_at_3.57.36_PM.pngTaylor Swift ain't even f*ckin' SINGING on the chorus anymore and this sh*t has 500M+ views!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Oct 2, 2017 17:15:16 GMT -6
I don't know, guys. have you heard the songs that are #1 on Billboard lately? your fancy iconic piece of hardware doesn't really matter anymore. The songs getting hundreds of millions of youtube views sound like absolute shit, like the vocals were cut on an iPhone via GarageBand. But that's what is popular now. 195M views: Basically, the same song but with shittier vocals, recorded 3 years earlier. 113M views: You can covet all of that vintage analog gear you want, but the market speaks for how much they care about the gear used to make the music that is #1 on Billboard today... s1.postimg.org/7z9l9eob0f/Screen_Shot_2017-10-02_at_3.57.36_PM.pngTaylor Swift ain't even f*ckin' SINGING on the chorus anymore and this sh*t has 500M+ views! Wow u are so wrong regarding rap vocal chains .... Try Lauten Audio Eden lt386 into a Chandler Little Devil Pre with bright switch on into a Rupert Neve 551 eq .... So you ears are way off.. I don’t talk shit about music I don’t like ... And I dam sure don’t speak I’ll of hard working engineers who have invested thousands into their vocal chain then say it’s the equivalent Of an iPhone into GarageBand because the genre is not what I prefer to listen or support... U obviously don’t like the music but no need to disparage it... I have used GarageBand plenty to produce colors and edit... it’s free too! www.bboytechreport.com/2017/09/25/michael-ashby-lauten-audio-sonic-secrets-behind-cardi-bs-bodak-yellow/
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Post by yotonic on Oct 2, 2017 17:15:45 GMT -6
These are just people punching the clock, taking the road of least resistance to a paycheck. There are still wonderful musicians out there making great records, compositionally, and sonically. And tons of fans whom appreciate it. This other stuff is just garbage and most people don't pay for it, don't remember it, and don't "care". It's just passing noise, like a jingle on TV.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 2, 2017 17:33:54 GMT -6
I still haven't tried any of the modeling mics. I'd like to...My guess is it's somewhat similar to the UAD modeling with the pres. Just missing the richness and umph. Like - it's close - but it's not the same. Although, most likely, if it were done well, no one would have any idea. I DO know this...great gear just gets you there quicker. Great stuff can be done with cheaper gear, but you spend a ton of time futzing with it to get there.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Oct 2, 2017 18:04:52 GMT -6
It's a shame great gear doesn't raise the talent level being passed thru the mic... You know, the same way certain stickers add horsepower to our cars 😛
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Post by donr on Oct 2, 2017 20:38:12 GMT -6
Points taken. I can't fathom why many of these titles get hundreds of millions of streams.
From this Grandpa's historic POV, I liked lo-fi tunes like Kingsmen's "Louie Louie," Five DuTone's "Shake A Tailfeather," Standell's "Dirty Water," and many more, as much as I liked the better recorded stuff like Jackie Wilson's hits, and many if not most of the major label efforts. To this day, The Champs' "Tequila" is to my ear among the best recorded 45's of its time, or any time, in sonics and loudness. It just blazed out of any speaker you heard it on.
So maybe it's the sentiment and content, not sonics that makes Cardi B all that.. (!)
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Post by c0rtland on Oct 2, 2017 20:41:25 GMT -6
What the hell is shannon doing to those slate mics anyway? My guess is they are being used as donor bodies. Ditch the modeling system and make something better. If they are made to be super flat then maybe shannon has a clean slate to add the soul.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Oct 2, 2017 20:42:36 GMT -6
I LOVE the reverb on Taylor Swift verses. I had to say it.
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2017 21:05:11 GMT -6
Points taken. I can't fathom why many of these titles get hundreds of millions of streams. From this Grandpa's historic POV, I liked lo-fi tunes like Kingsmen's "Louie Louie," Five DuTone's "Shake A Tailfeather," Standell's "Dirty Water," and many more, as much as I liked the better recorded stuff like Jackie Wilson's hits, and many if not most of the major label efforts. To this day, The Champs' "Tequila" is to my ear among the best recorded 45's of its time, or any time, in sonics and loudness. It just blazed out of any speaker you heard it on. So maybe it's the sentiment and content, not sonics that makes Cardi B all that.. (!) Of course this is from the grandpa who actually buys into the new fangled gadget at hand, just cause he like all of us is hoping this thing works and we all can get there without spending an arm and leg! So keep rocking old man!
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2017 21:08:03 GMT -6
Points taken. I can't fathom why many of these titles get hundreds of millions of streams. From this Grandpa's historic POV, I liked lo-fi tunes like Kingsmen's "Louie Louie," Five DuTone's "Shake A Tailfeather," Standell's "Dirty Water," and many more, as much as I liked the better recorded stuff like Jackie Wilson's hits, and many if not most of the major label efforts. To this day, The Champs' "Tequila" is to my ear among the best recorded 45's of its time, or any time, in sonics and loudness. It just blazed out of any speaker you heard it on. So maybe it's the sentiment and content, not sonics that makes Cardi B all that.. (!) I think part of it is this generation hasn't heard music that didn't come out a speaker, we grew up hearing the real thing. So to these kids if it thumps and has a beat it's the thang?
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Post by donr on Oct 2, 2017 21:31:05 GMT -6
ericn, all pop music has a beat, so why do contemporary carelessly recorded crappy sounding cuts or such cuts from any era get hugely popular? Must be the content. I take the points by NoFilterChuck and ChaseUTB. What my brain searches for in a lot of today's joints is the content. What is it about Cardi B, for instance, that her fans dig? Maybe a young person here can 'splain it to me.
I apologize for helping derail this thread. I have a Townsend mic, and so far I'm impressed with it. I've been too busy on the road this summer to yet explore it's capability or its shortcomings. I haven't even listened to all the models offered, but so far, so good. I'll never own all or probably most of the mics modeled by the Townsend software. The hook for me going for it, was the two capsule design and the full field modeling of the target mics, with the stereo recording option as a bonus.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 2, 2017 21:34:24 GMT -6
I had the Slate VMS for about 8 months. I really wanted to love it. It always sounded 2D to me. I've said this numerous times, but I'll repeat it. For some guy in his bedroom recording with a cheap Samson or R0DE NT1a, the VMS opens the doors to a variety of options in one package that will crush their old mics. A friend of mine runs a recording school/commercial studio and they love their VMS. It also means that these kids don't f#ck up a 10k mic if something goes wrong. The problem is that as soon as you go above that 1k price tag the microphones start to really become something better than these emulations. Advanced Audio & Peluso mics sound much better in my experience. Then on to Neumann's big guns and a load of replica's FLEA, Wunder, Telefunken, etc. I think these mic modelling plugins are a good way to try out sonic colors you've never tried before and steer you to something of real quality. For engineers beyond the beginning stages, it will just never live up to our expectations.
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Post by ericn on Oct 2, 2017 21:56:30 GMT -6
ericn, all pop music has a beat, so why do contemporary carelessly recorded crappy sounding cuts or such cuts from any era get hugely popular? Must be the content. I take the points by NoFilterChuck and ChaseUTB. What my brain searches for in a lot of today's joints is the content. What is it about Cardi B, for instance, that her fans dig? Maybe a young person here can 'splain it to me. I apologize for helping derail this thread. I have a Townsend mic, and so far I'm impressed with it. I've been too busy on the road this summer to yet explore it's capability or its shortcomings. I haven't even listened to all the models offered, but so far, so good. I'll never own all or probably most of the mics modeled by the Townsend software. The hook for me going for it, was the two capsule design and the full field modeling of the target mics, with the stereo recording option as a bonus. Hey it's a theory, did I say it was a good one ? I just heard some "killer beats " that came out of a ssl 9k room, they sounded like a crappy bass drum through a blown JBL E140 ! KILER! As to the Townsend, I love the fact that you have this thing with trying the new tech, be it guitars, mics what ever, old you reminds me of young me. Of course young me got to play on my bosses dime! The Townsend is the only one I see as having a snowballs chance in Miami! The rest I feel are more about selling more stuff! Of course I remember the original the Roland, or audio comedy or who can say EQ preset!
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 2, 2017 22:00:37 GMT -6
ericn, all pop music has a beat, so why do contemporary carelessly recorded crappy sounding cuts or such cuts from any era get hugely popular? Must be the content. I take the points by NoFilterChuck and ChaseUTB. What my brain searches for in a lot of today's joints is the content. What is it about Cardi B, for instance, that her fans dig? Maybe a young person here can 'splain it to me. I apologize for helping derail this thread. I have a Townsend mic, and so far I'm impressed with it. I've been too busy on the road this summer to yet explore it's capability or its shortcomings. I haven't even listened to all the models offered, but so far, so good. I'll never own all or probably most of the mics modeled by the Townsend software. The hook for me going for it, was the two capsule design and the full field modeling of the target mics, with the stereo recording option as a bonus. EDIT: I had something typed out then I listened to that bullshit. Holy shit. (Cardi B) I think it's absolutely a comment and reflection on our society and culture. This is base, guttural, primal grunting...with occasional rhyming on a fourth grade level. I also think (and I'm probably breaking my own rules here) that since popular culture is ...ahem...somewhat left leaning, it's the rejection of Western modalities and traditions. But maybe that's waaayyyy over thinking it. Maybe it has more to do with the fact that any jackass with a computer can make a beat and moan something remotely in time these days...and call it "real." Politicize it and say that if you don't get it, it's because you don't understand my "suffering." This is a LONG way from Jelly Roll Morton, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Albert King, Oscar Peterson, etc. What happened to melody? What happened to talent?
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Post by yotonic on Oct 2, 2017 22:15:02 GMT -6
The kids know it is stripped down and raw, like some fat girls fighting in the restrooms at the mall.... but they connect with that (especially on the high school level) as being "in the moment" and relevant to their peer group. Thye know it's not production or composition at the level of other previous pop stars they know (Katy Perry etc.) but they learn from the peer group that this is the "street sound" of the moment. Even Taylor Swift has dipped her toe into this production aesthetic with "Look What You Made Me Do". Then all of this is an overlay on top of a general degradation of grammar, manners, and general decorum. There is absolutely a "coarsening of America" taking place. And while you can obviously point to hip hop culture as a major influence on that you also can't leave out the behavior of our corporate leaders, and politicians, who have contributed to this just as pervasively.
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Post by rowmat on Oct 2, 2017 22:25:37 GMT -6
Points taken. I can't fathom why many of these titles get hundreds of millions of streams. From this Grandpa's historic POV, I liked lo-fi tunes like Kingsmen's "Louie Louie," Five DuTone's "Shake A Tailfeather," Standell's "Dirty Water," and many more, as much as I liked the better recorded stuff like Jackie Wilson's hits, and many if not most of the major label efforts. To this day, The Champs' "Tequila" is to my ear among the best recorded 45's of its time, or any time, in sonics and loudness. It just blazed out of any speaker you heard it on. So maybe it's the sentiment and content, not sonics that makes Cardi B all that.. (!) I think part of it is this generation hasn't heard music that didn't come out a speaker, we grew up hearing the real thing. So to these kids if it thumps and has a beat it's the thang? I would almost go as far as saying some of this generation hasn't heard music that didn't come out of a cellphone speaker so that even excludes the 'thump' or the 'doof' if you prefer!
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Post by donr on Oct 2, 2017 22:33:58 GMT -6
ericn, you're talkin' to a guy who in the mid 80's traded a '57 strat (which I thought sounded duff and didn't use,) for a new Roland GR-700 synth guitar (the one that looked like a bow.) Doesn't matter if that strat sucked or not, today it'd be worth a new car. So my tech fascination has come at a cost, historically. I have zero aptitude as a collector.
JohnKenn, I can sympathize with your premise, but what the kids make popular today is 'viral' as they say, and not pimped or filtered by radio or distributors or influences other than similarly viral social media. Again, if there's anyone here who understands the current audio media market and how it works and who would contribute, that'd be great. Because I don't.
Vincent R., curious if you ever recorded with a Shure SM7. I recorded one vocal on it, and couldn't discern sonically which one it was out of all my recorded performances. The rest were various U87's, U89's.
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 2, 2017 22:49:08 GMT -6
donr, I haven't, but I wouldn't be opposed to it. It's on my "need to pick up" list.
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