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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2017 9:20:49 GMT -6
The Furman system seems really simple and straightforward, super easy for the musicians to grasp and now screw up, but it looks like the remotes are daisy chained together? This seems like a problem if I want a couple mixers in the live room and also have mixers in the iso booths. Quint, how many outputs from pro tools is this system using/providing? Could I use this box during tracking for my headphone outs then feeding my console during mixing? How many outs to the console would it provide? To be clear, I don't have one yet, though I'll probably buy one in the near future. I've just been stating what I've read about it. As I understand it, the number of inputs would depend on if you have it connected to analog, digital or both. Either way, I believe it is capable of quite a few inputs. Yes, you can use it for tracking and then for additional outputs to the console during mixing. This is the description from the website: Introducing Monitor 8. 24 x 16 x 8 monitor mixer, 6-channel headphone amp and USB/AVB audio interface with 48-channel mixing and AVB audio networking. So it can accept up to 16 digital inputs over adat or a whole bunch if you have it connected to one of Motu's other converters over their avb network. I think you can do 16 analog outs if you were to use it for sending to the console during a mix. I get some of the arguments some of y'all are making against systems like these, but that's an argument against all of them, not just the Motu. If, however, you're going to use something that allows individual headphone mixes, I think the Motu is pretty impressive in its feature set. |
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Post by subspace on Oct 1, 2017 9:59:44 GMT -6
I use the MOTU 16A cue mixer feeding 8 outputs to a Presonus HP60. MOTU in the control room, HP60 in the tracking room.
At 88.2kHz, it provides a stereo main mix and 6 mono or 3 stereo aux mixes. So outputs 1-2 feed my DAW return on the desk, which in turn feeds the desk cue output. This is the default input for all six HP60 channels, then each channel also gets an aux mix input that can be selected or mixed in. I usually run the main mix and then each player controls his aux mix from the iPad mini/wifi only iPhone in their playing area.
I use the MOTU's subgroups to provide a simple drum mix fader, but they can always scroll to the source channel if they want that inside kick mic twice as loud. The bulk of the time they just monitor my mix and use their aux mix to add in a bit of whatever they want. I can select any of the mixes on the monitor out of the 16A to see/fix what they're doing.
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Post by swurveman on Oct 1, 2017 11:38:53 GMT -6
I use the MOTU 16A cue mixer feeding 8 outputs to a Presonus HP60. MOTU in the control room, HP60 in the tracking room. At 88.2kHz, it provides a stereo main mix and 6 mono or 3 stereo aux mixes. So outputs 1-2 feed my DAW return on the desk, which in turn feeds the desk cue output. This is the default input for all six HP60 channels, then each channel also gets an aux mix input that can be selected or mixed in. I usually run the main mix and then each player controls his aux mix from the iPad mini/wifi only iPhone in their playing area. I use the MOTU's subgroups to provide a simple drum mix fader, but they can always scroll to the source channel if they want that inside kick mic twice as loud. The bulk of the time they just monitor my mix and use their aux mix to add in a bit of whatever they want. I can select any of the mixes on the monitor out of the 16A to see/fix what they're doing. How do the musicians like the "stereo external input"? Does this solve the "more me" problem? Secondly, how is this input "stereo"? It looks like a mono input to me. I often get a "can you turn this up and this down for me" requests, which is why I'd like a 4 stereo L/R input headphone amp which I could control from Totalmix. But if this Presonous "more me" concept works that would be cool and at $300.00 with 6 headphone jacks it's a great deal. |
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Post by subspace on Oct 1, 2017 12:37:31 GMT -6
The stereo input on each channel is unbalanced on a TRS jack. There's also a stereo TRS output on each channel, so I'll typically run a stereo cue feed into the input of the first channel, then take it's stereo output into the stereo input of the 2nd channel. So three stereo mixes feed 6 headphone amps, but each of those amps can also be fed by main mixes A & B.
I'll go take a pic of the tracking room rack this morning, it has a patchbay mounted above the HP60 so I can re-patch from 6 discrete mono mixes to 3 discrete stereo mixes or any combo in-between. If you want to go nuts, you can patch 8 stereo inputs into the HP60.
The 'more me' inputs work fine, but since they're fed by the MOTU mixer, they're really 'more anything I want' inputs that can be blended with the house cue mix.
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Post by subspace on Oct 1, 2017 13:00:57 GMT -6
Ok, here's the tracking room rack, 8 balanced lines come from the control room into the back of the patchbay. The first two feed straight into stereo input A and then the other six feed the odd numbered HP60 channels using unbalancing cables. Just swap cables anywhere you want two mono 'more me' inputs instead of a stereo mix.  |
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 1, 2017 15:40:14 GMT -6
What are you guys liking? Hearback? Behringer? Furman? Aviom? I've got a Furman system that I've been meaning to sell. I've got the hub, 5 or 6 headphone mixers and Ethernet cables. I've also got the optional breakout box, which means you don't have to daisychain. You run from the hub to the breakout box, and to each mixer from there. I've got a photo I can post if you're into it. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 1, 2017 18:27:26 GMT -6
What are you guys liking? Hearback? Behringer? Furman? Aviom? I've got a Furman system that I've been meaning to sell. I've got the hub, 5 or 6 headphone mixers and Ethernet cables. I've also got the optional breakout box, which means you don't have to daisychain. You run from the hub to the breakout box, and to each mixer from there. I've got a photo I can post if you're into it. Chat me here or fb. |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Oct 1, 2017 19:25:43 GMT -6
I had the furman.. but it was old and broke down. What ya got now? I had a couple guys tell me the hearback is junk too. Seems like they all have downfalls except the super expensive. For now I'm just making do with an art headamp pro fed from the console cue buss. Most of the studios around here use the hearback system, so that's what most clients are used to, and likely what I'll end up with. I think the sound quality is mediocre, but probably not bad enough to bother anyone. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 16, 2019 8:39:06 GMT -6
Did you go with this? M57 might need some help. |
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Post by EmRR on Mar 16, 2019 8:48:13 GMT -6
The Monitor 8 isn’t gonna be enough power for rock drums situations. You’d have to build it out with outboard amps.
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Post by Quint on Mar 16, 2019 17:01:49 GMT -6
Did you go with this? M57 might need some help. I have not yet done this yet, but it's only been because of money. I do intend to eventually go this route. |
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