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Post by ragan on Sept 27, 2017 8:38:35 GMT -6
I think a lot of stuff I attributed to sounding “midrangey” was more my mic back in the day. Probably need to revisit lots of things. I know part of what the distressor is all about is distortion, but I would really like to hear a JW modded Distressor! They can also be really clean without the harmonics buttons engaged and setting dependent. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 27, 2017 9:20:21 GMT -6
I know part of what the distressor is all about is distortion, but I would really like to hear a JW modded Distressor! They can also be really clean without the harmonics buttons engaged and setting dependent. I don't know there is always this sound to a stock Distressor I'll call it a slight grittiness, that's always their it reminds me of my Otari Status, something that I know would bug the crap out of JW. It's the sort of thing JW zeros in on and removes, and I know he has a mod! |
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Post by ragan on Sept 27, 2017 11:36:33 GMT -6
They can also be really clean without the harmonics buttons engaged and setting dependent. I don't know there is always this sound to a stock Distressor I'll call it a slight grittiness, that's always their it reminds me of my Otari Status, something that I know would bug the crap out of JW. It's the sort of thing JW zeros in on and removes, and I know he has a mod! Yeah I guess it's just a matter of degree. They don't have to sound overly saturated but yeah, they do have a sonic footprint. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 27, 2017 11:47:14 GMT -6
So ragan - is this plug going to replace your hardware units? |
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Post by ragan on Sept 27, 2017 12:41:42 GMT -6
So ragan - is this plug going to replace your hardware units? No. I will eventually do some serious scrutiny and ABing but don't have time right now. If, and it's a big if seeing as how it's never happened, the plugin is truly sonically identical to my ear, I would still want the hardware for tracking. The minimum Distressors I can conceive of in my rack is 1, but I like having pairs of things. Also, again, I've yet to have a plugin fully fool my ear vs hardware. That said I know they put a shitload of work into this and I expect it to be extremely close if not all the way there. It's absolutely something I want in the ITB toolkit. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 27, 2017 13:45:47 GMT -6
So ragan - is this plug going to replace your hardware units? No. I will eventually do some serious scrutiny and ABing but don't have time right now. If, and it's a big if seeing as how it's never happened, the plugin is truly sonically identical to my ear, I would still want the hardware for tracking. The minimum Distressors I can conceive of in my rack is 1, but I like having pairs of things. Also, again, I've yet to have a plugin fully fool my ear vs hardware. That said I know they put a shitload of work into this and I expect it to be extremely close if not all the way there. It's absolutely something I want in the ITB toolkit. Thanks for the answer. I'm with you about plug-ins vs their hardware counterparts. I can always tell the diff too. And Slate and his incessant over the top hyping does color me negative. The whole SSL vs. VCC thing, and blah, blah, blah. I quit using VCC a month after buying it. But I wouldn't quit using an SSL if I had one here. LOL The other thing about online A/B's that never seems to be addressed is the colouration of multiple tracks through said devices. Just like a mic adds significant colour when 20 vocal passes go thru it, or the same with a pre, the equivalent is true of most all hardware. I don't seem to get that with many - or any - plugins. They are great for what they are. But they are not a replacement IMO. It's been a decade since I used a distressor. Never really got on with them that much. Maybe I'll give the plugin a roll. |
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Post by ragan on Sept 27, 2017 13:51:55 GMT -6
No. I will eventually do some serious scrutiny and ABing but don't have time right now. If, and it's a big if seeing as how it's never happened, the plugin is truly sonically identical to my ear, I would still want the hardware for tracking. The minimum Distressors I can conceive of in my rack is 1, but I like having pairs of things. Also, again, I've yet to have a plugin fully fool my ear vs hardware. That said I know they put a shitload of work into this and I expect it to be extremely close if not all the way there. It's absolutely something I want in the ITB toolkit. Thanks for the answer. I'm with you about plug-ins vs their hardware counterparts. I can always tell the diff too. And Slate and his incessant over the top hyping does color me negative. The whole SSL vs. VCC thing, and blah, blah, blah. I quit using VCC a month after buying it. But I wouldn't quit using an SSL if I had one here. LOL The other thing about online A/B's that never seems to be addressed is the colouration of multiple tracks through said devices. Just like a mic adds significant colour when 20 vocal passes go thru it, or the same with a pre, the equivalent is true of most all hardware. I don't seem to get that with many - or any - plugins. They are great for what they are. But they are not a replacement IMO. It's been a decade since I used a distressor. Never really got on with them that much. Maybe I'll give the plugin a roll. Definitely worth a demo. I find the Distressor to be a truly awesome unit, but of course this stuff is all utterly subjective. |
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Post by joseph on Sept 27, 2017 15:25:49 GMT -6
I think this plugin is by far the best emulation they've done. The 1176 release was really off, bluestripe better, and their eqs are good but in my experience not euphonic like the real thing. The SSL is better than the Neve where you notice the missing phase shift and sweetness more.
Where Distressors excel on snare, shells, kick, drum room at -10db, I think this performs well getting that recognizable modern close mic fattening and control that can turn plastic. I do not like Distressors much on vocal, overheads or anything else.
So thinking of picking this up mainly for unwieldy snare sculpting.
I thought Arousor was pretty cool and analog too, especially the saturation modeling, but Ragan demonstrated how the real thing was more exciting whereas Arousor was more neutral, albeit the atmod made it very flexible.
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Post by c0rtland on Sept 27, 2017 16:20:38 GMT -6
Haven't downloaded this yet. I traded my distressors for an 1178 a year or so ago. Been missing them. This plugin came out right in time for me.
With the reviews we are seeing of this plugin, the success of the acoustica stuff, uad etc... ii think in 10 years or less plugins are REALLY gonna be where we dream about them being. It may take 5 years for people to get bored again, then at that point I think the vinyl record phenomenon will kick in. People will still want the tangible thing. Can't get no satisfaction.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 27, 2017 17:24:20 GMT -6
Since I bought the PP for using HW plugins it teached me that I do not have a clear preference.
Sometimes software does the trick, sometimes its hardware.
Maybe the FG Stress is the first true software clone, maybe not....who cares.
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Post by joseph on Sept 27, 2017 18:17:13 GMT -6
Since I bought the PP for using HW plugins it teached me that I do not have a clear preference. Sometimes software does the trick, sometimes its hardware. Maybe the FG Stress is the first true software clone, maybe not....who cares. Yeah like Ragan says the hardware you can track with - which is half the fun - so software will never replace it anyway. |
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Post by c0rtland on Sept 27, 2017 18:30:11 GMT -6
Since I bought the PP for using HW plugins it teached me that I do not have a clear preference. Sometimes software does the trick, sometimes its hardware. Maybe the FG Stress is the first true software clone, maybe not....who cares. Yeah like Ragan says the hardware you can track with - which is half the fun - so software will never replace it anyway. id bet it's only a tiny matter of time before tracking with software is standard. I've been shown time after time that when it comes to technological progress, to the benefit of human flourishing or not, what we can only imagine today is old news next week. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 27, 2017 18:34:29 GMT -6
What I like and enjoy won't be old news next week. That's hardware, not pushing a mouse around....
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Post by joseph on Sept 27, 2017 19:12:35 GMT -6
Yeah like Ragan says the hardware you can track with - which is half the fun - so software will never replace it anyway. id bet it's only a tiny matter of time before tracking with software is standard. I've been shown time after time that when it comes to technological progress, to the benefit of human flourishing or not, what we can only imagine today is old news next week. I'm pretty convinced that analog pre ADC will never be replicated. Often it seems to change the load on the mics too. Ever try running a tube mic directly into an 1176? |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 27, 2017 19:16:12 GMT -6
Sorry, what was that about your PP, Holmes? Not sure I understand.
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Post by joseph on Sept 27, 2017 19:17:51 GMT -6
Sorry, what was that about your PP, Holmes? Not sure I understand. Time to see a urologist! |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 28, 2017 7:54:25 GMT -6
Sorry, what was that about your PP, Holmes? Not sure I understand. forced me to use a patch bay even at home. Best advise ever.... Before that my hardawre was inserted on a desk and I was going nuts inserting a cable there becasue I have a left leg problem. So bill advised me to ditch the desk and to mix into some nice hardware and to use the rest of the hardware as HW plug ins with the patch bay. It made my workflow super easy and my left leg says thanks too. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 28, 2017 11:18:22 GMT -6
Sorry, what was that about your PP, Holmes? Not sure I understand. forced me to use a patch bay even at home. Best advise ever.... Before taht my hardawre was inserted on a desk and I was going nuts inserting a cable there becasue I have left leg problem. So bill advised me to ditch the desk and to mix into some nice hardware and to use the rest of the hardware as HW plug ins with the patch bay. It made my workflow super easy and my left leg says thanks too. Glad to hear it! Ergonomics are important, aren't they. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 28, 2017 12:39:07 GMT -6
drbill forced me to use a patch bay even at home. Best advise ever.... Before taht my hardawre was inserted on a desk and I was going nuts inserting a cable there becasue I have left leg problem. So bill advised me to ditch the desk and to mix into some nice hardware and to use the rest of the hardware as HW plug ins with the patch bay. It made my workflow super easy and my left leg says thanks too. Glad to hear it! Ergonomics are important, aren't they. Yupp special if you wear three diffrent heads a day. Composer/Arranger/Tracking Geek/Mixing Geek. I wish I could afford to let do it it someone else - the last two things. Maybe not yet but in the future. |
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Post by bradd on Sept 28, 2017 14:04:14 GMT -6
I know part of what the distressor is all about is distortion, but I would really like to hear a JW modded Distressor! They can also be really clean without the harmonics buttons engaged and setting dependent. The distressor certainly has a sound, but I've always found the distortion modes to be pretty subtle. We're not talking obvious fuzz box kind of stuff. |
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Post by drbill on Sept 28, 2017 17:07:17 GMT -6
Sorry, what was that about your PP, Holmes? Not sure I understand. Ha!! Was I there with a gun to your head?  Ergonomics are more important, or at least equally important as sonics. If you loose the creative muse due to crappy workflow, it doesn't matter how good it may have sounded. It's gone.... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 28, 2017 17:34:10 GMT -6
Since I bought the PP for using HW plugins it teached me that I do not have a clear preference. Sometimes software does the trick, sometimes its hardware. Maybe the FG Stress is the first true software clone, maybe not....who cares. Yeah like Ragan says the hardware you can track with - which is half the fun - so software will never replace it anyway. Until UA does one !  |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 28, 2017 17:52:19 GMT -6
drbill forced me to use a patch bay even at home. Ha!! Was I there with a gun to your head? Ergonomics are more important, or at least equally important as sonics. If you loose the creative muse due to crappy workflow, it doesn't matter how good it may have sounded. It's gone.... Yupp special in arranging and writing. It needs to be without any obstacles. Since I use the Track Pad using Plug Ins is more easy, not much intuitive as hardware but a step up. BTW if we talk qualitiy of the plug in brands. I alwas read UAD is the best you can do. Before I sold my quad card I ABd Salte vs. UAD and I cant say that UAD sounds better. Its both just tools. The big + with Slate is the VMR alowos me to work faster and easier becasue I have all plug ins of a chain in one window. For me the reason why Salte plug ins became my go to tools mixing hybrid. The help me in my workflow. I think plug in companies should focus more on the subject that mixing ITB gets more inuitive. I have two cool ideas for making the Slate VMR even better, but Steven was not catching up on it? Maybe it was my bad English?? |
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2017 22:25:58 GMT -6
drbill forced me to use a patch bay even at home. Ha!! Was I there with a gun to your head? Ergonomics are more important, or at least equally important as sonics. If you loose the creative muse due to crappy workflow, it doesn't matter how good it may have sounded. It's gone.... I see you sending Brad with his big old Solder Gun!😎 |
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