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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 24, 2017 15:16:05 GMT -6
The place I'm moving into has empty wall soffits for mains. Here's a pic from 94, that may have original speakers (or maybe not, who knows). Anyway can anyone ID these?  Also, how do I figure out what modern speaker I could stick in there? Any ideas? |
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Post by Tbone81 on Sept 24, 2017 15:52:26 GMT -6
Easy, Those are Alesis Monitor One's...j/k
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Post by ericn on Sept 24, 2017 15:53:09 GMT -6
Get out the tape measure they look like something custom, at first look I thought K&H but not up close.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 24, 2017 16:41:40 GMT -6
Get out the tape measure they look like something custom, at first look I thought K&H but not up close. Picture of the holes here.  This pic is the right speaker. It is deeper on the outside than the inside. Approximate dimensions. 29W x 23H x 19D on the left, 40D on the right. Also 14 inches deep in the hole, on the bottom, there is a 2x4 going across. I'm not sure if the speakers stopped at the 2x4 or if they sat on top to angle them down a little more. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 24, 2017 17:31:42 GMT -6
Soffits are tricky Give Jeff Headback a ring, an acusticains input might be worth its weight in gold, I think a single 15 TAD / Augsperger influenced box would work, or a Custom Volt Quested like clone.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 24, 2017 18:01:46 GMT -6
Soffits are tricky Give Jeff Headback a ring, an acusticains input might be worth its weight in gold, I think a single 15 TAD / Augsperger influenced box would work, or a Custom Volt Quested like clone. Do the speakers usually fill the entire soffit hole or is there breathing room in there? I'm hoping to find something inexpensive to stuff in there while I get up and running. Just something that'll boom a bit when needed. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 24, 2017 18:45:17 GMT -6
Soffits are tricky Give Jeff Headback a ring, an acusticains input might be worth its weight in gold, I think a single 15 TAD / Augsperger influenced box would work, or a Custom Volt Quested like clone. Do the speakers usually fill the entire soffit hole or is there breathing room in there? I'm hoping to find something inexpensive to stuff in there while I get up and running. Just something that'll boom a bit when needed. The front baffles are ideally a tight fit or you build up the speakers baffle so it's tight. Some speakers work great in soffits others suck goggy do-do. Needless to say no rear ports. The reason I say give Jeff a call is a soffit needs to work with the speaker and the room, not just angled walls, Jeff is pretty low cost, good to have somebody who know acustics for a new room. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 24, 2017 22:44:43 GMT -6
Soffits are tricky Give Jeff Headback a ring, an acusticains input might be worth its weight in gold, I think a single 15 TAD / Augsperger influenced box would work, or a Custom Volt Quested like clone. Do the speakers usually fill the entire soffit hole or is there breathing room in there? I'm hoping to find something inexpensive to stuff in there while I get up and running. Just something that'll boom a bit when needed. In his book "Recording Studio Design" Phillip Newell goes into the subject of soffit mounted speakers in some detail. I'd strongly recommend picking up a copy if you don't already have one. The condensed answer is that it's apparently quite a tricky subject and should only be undertaken with great care and the help of a good acoustician, as it's quite easy to screw up and get really wrong response. It also usually requires repeated fittings to get it right - you can't just make a hole in the wall, stick the speakers in, and expect it to work right. www.amazon.com/Recording-Studio-Engineering-Society-Presents/dp/1138936073/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1506314132&sr=1-8&keywords=recording+studio+acoustics |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 25, 2017 4:53:54 GMT -6
The condensed answer is that it's apparently quite a tricky subject and should only be undertaken with great care and the help of a good acoustician, as it's quite easy to screw up and get really wrong response. It also usually requires repeated fittings to get it right - you can't just make a hole in the wall, stick the speakers in, and expect it to work right. This is what I expected. I know that the room was thoughtfully designed 30 years ago. I'm sure that they didn't just cut some random holes in the wall and jam speakers in after seeing the care they took in other aspects of the design. That's why I'm trying to track down what may have been the original speakers to go back in the holes. I hadn't been planning to lease a space and wasn't on the lookout for anything, but this room became available, and in my area, rooms like this are few and far between. Getting some bigs in are a ways down the list in terms of importance right now. If I can pull it off cheaply, great, but if I it's going to be a big expense, they can wait a little bit until I get off the ground. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 25, 2017 7:34:12 GMT -6
The condensed answer is that it's apparently quite a tricky subject and should only be undertaken with great care and the help of a good acoustician, as it's quite easy to screw up and get really wrong response. It also usually requires repeated fittings to get it right - you can't just make a hole in the wall, stick the speakers in, and expect it to work right. This is what I expected. I know that the room was thoughtfully designed 30 years ago. I'm sure that they didn't just cut some random holes in the wall and jam speakers in after seeing the care they took in other aspects of the design. That's why I'm trying to track down what may have been the original speakers to go back in the holes. I hadn't been planning to lease a space and wasn't on the lookout for anything, but this room became available, and in my area, rooms like this are few and far between. Getting some bigs in are a ways down the list in terms of importance right now. If I can pull it off cheaply, great, but if I it's going to be a big expense, they can wait a little bit until I get off the ground. I still say give Jeff a call quite reasonable, If you want a get me by bigs to impress clients Build some 2 way PA cabinets using any of the calculators on line by a pair of used Adcom and use harrison Labs Fmods for xover! |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 25, 2017 12:11:11 GMT -6
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 25, 2017 12:15:17 GMT -6
What about searching out some old UREI's while you figure it out. They'd probably fit, and be really inexpensive.
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Post by svart on Sept 26, 2017 13:50:30 GMT -6
Check out John Sayer's acoustic forum. They'd have tons of info on soffit acoustics.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 28, 2017 16:29:44 GMT -6
It looks like these boxes were in there at some point. Found these in the back storage. Any thoughts on these? Mains imgur.com/a/dfDi5 |
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2017 16:49:36 GMT -6
It looks like these boxes were in there at some point. Found these in the back storage. Any thoughts on these? Mains imgur.com/a/dfDi5Looks like some kind dual concentric with additional woofer. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 29, 2017 2:29:24 GMT -6
It looks like these boxes were in there at some point. Found these in the back storage. Any thoughts on these? Mains imgur.com/a/dfDi5Looks like something home made by someone who really had no idea what he was doing. Who would put a rear port in a soffit mount cab? And the three tweeters look to me like a recipe for phase interference and comb filtering. Looks like something out of the back of a low rider Chevy. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2017 5:25:45 GMT -6
It looks like these boxes were in there at some point. Found these in the back storage. Any thoughts on these? Mains imgur.com/a/dfDi5Looks like something home made by someone who really had no idea what he was doing. Who would put a rear port in a soffit mount cab? And the three tweeters look to me like a recipe for phase interference and comb filtering. Looks like something out of the back of a low rider Chevy. I thought the same thing... |
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2017 8:05:52 GMT -6
Looking closely the rear port says that wouldn't work weird looks like 3 front and one rear port!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2017 8:31:48 GMT -6
Looking closely the rear port says that wouldn't work weird looks like 3 front and one rear port! The speakers in the original 1994 pic look more legit. They were probably the originals. Look front ported and time aligned. When that guy moved out and new next guy took over, he must have built these boxes. Here's a pic of these boxes in place from the previous dude (who is completely uninterested in chatting with me and seems like a huge dick). Looks to me like a pair of 7s, a pair of 3" mids, and a tweeter in the middle maybe? Hard to tell.  |
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Post by ericn on Sept 29, 2017 8:48:53 GMT -6
Looking closely the rear port says that wouldn't work weird looks like 3 front and one rear port! The speakers in the original 1994 pic look more legit. They were probably the originals. Look front ported and time aligned. When that guy moved out and new next guy took over, he must have built these boxes. Here's a pic of these boxes in place from the previous dude (who is completely uninterested in chatting with me and seems like a huge dick). Looks to me like a pair of 7s, a pair of 3" mids, and a tweeter in the middle maybe? Hard to tell. Maybe Dynaudio not time aligned the tweet and mid would set back For physical time alignment. Look at the back there's still a porting tube, but there are cut outs in the back for a small jack plate and a circle cutout for either a rear driver or passive radiator just plain weird for soffits ! Are the mid or tweeters in a separate chamber than the woofers? Is that rear cutout the same size as the front woofer cut outs? The more I look the physical size of the box VS driver cut outs vs the size of the rear port just look wrong! As for front port I only see cutouts for woofers and the 3 wholes that we think are mids and tweet no port! These should find a home in the dumpster! |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 29, 2017 9:30:23 GMT -6
That’s a nice pic man.... I don’t see ports in the pic where the jbl lsr monitors on the meter bridge ... Again do you need mains?
Why not just put acoustic panels over the soffits for the time being until you have coin ready to spend? Mains aren’t cheap even 20 years old Lol ...
This is a nice place and I’m sorry the first guy is being a dick, he could give you the info in 15 seconds smh...
Please have a one of the name dudes mentioned in this thread ( Hedback, Malekpour, insert name here ) you can afford in there and they can measure and find what you need in different price ranges ... as soon as you make the first mix or two write off the acoustician consultation... Then start saving for the mains...
I can sell you my hs8 and stands for time being ( or look for similar prices 8” model to fill room, u find all the deals lol ) if you need something that will work in there ...
Can’t wait to see it all up and done up and running mane 🤘🤠
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