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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 23, 2017 20:29:17 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 23, 2017 20:39:03 GMT -6
Looks and sounds great. Really wish I could swing it.
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Post by ericn on Sept 23, 2017 21:22:22 GMT -6
Very cool!đ
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Post by bartacusad on Sept 24, 2017 5:00:12 GMT -6
Looks cool! How much?
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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 24, 2017 10:44:21 GMT -6
They will be $2,500 with just a $1,000 down payment to start. Not ready to sell quite yet, but I'll buy an ad on the site when I am.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 24, 2017 10:55:53 GMT -6
Wow thatâs more than the locomtove audio tube pre I am looking at ..neither seem to offer line level capabilities without adding step down transformers ...
Good luck with your product! Build quality looks great
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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 24, 2017 11:11:48 GMT -6
That Locomotive preamp looks really cool. First I have heard of it.
The designs are a bit different though. They're saving some money using Cinemag transformers and new production tubes.
But that's pretty sweet.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 25, 2017 0:29:25 GMT -6
That Locomotive preamp looks really cool. First I have heard of it. The designs are a bit different though. They're saving some money using Cinemag transformers and new production tubes. But that's pretty sweet. What transformers are you using? At what levels do the transformers make the biggest difference tonality wise? What is the major differences between NOS tubes and newly produced tube, Aside from price? Also if one of your tubes fail wonât it cost the customer more $ to get back up and running using selected nos tubes? Also do you stock the tubes or does the customer have to find the replacement tubes on their own? Just b/c Warm audio uses cinemag ( Reichenbach/ Jensen legacy ) doesnât mean that every company that employs/ uses them is doing so to save $. As a gear builder / tone freak you know all To well a more expensive price tag doesnât always equal greater tone or sound quality. UAD sells a plugin emu of a real guitar pedal and the UAD is 3-4 times more expensive than the real analog pedal. Cinemag may not stock exactly what you need but if you contact them I bet they will be happy to accommodate you and build you whatever you need. Lastly, I can go to a steakhouse and pay $50 for a filet or go pay $20 for the best looking one at the butcher and I promise the $20 steak will be better every time providing all other factors like grilling/ broiling are the same.. Just like CAPI and API ... CAPI pre built are cheaper than any API but using your thought process the CAPI is cheaper so it must not be as tone worthy? The tubes say TFunk in your unit, what is your unit based off of a v76?
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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 25, 2017 6:36:53 GMT -6
Yes, price doesn't always equate to being better, but I've tested and selected the componets based on tonality. I'm using NOS GE and Telefunken tubes after trying Electro Harmonix, Mazda, RCA, and cheaper varients of GE. I may be offering a cheaper option with the 12au7, because the Telefunken ($100 each) and RCA ($25 each) both sound very good in different ways.
The Jensen input transformer ($90 after shipping) is critical to the tone. The Edcor output ($10) is less critical, so I can save some money there.
At any rate, I'm not going into business with these. I just want to sell a handful so others can enjoy the tone it adds to their recordings. That will justify the year of design put into it and help me fund my hobby.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 25, 2017 6:51:27 GMT -6
Wow thatâs more than the locomtove audio tube pre I am looking at ..neither seem to offer line level capabilities without adding step down transformers ... Good luck with your product! Build quality looks great Use one of these if you want to reamp a line level signal through a tube preamp. www.diyrecordingequipment.com/products/l2p
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 25, 2017 12:00:08 GMT -6
Yes, price doesn't always equate to being better, but I've tested and selected the componets based on tonality. I'm using NOS GE and Telefunken tubes after trying Electro Harmonix, Mazda, RCA, and cheaper varients of GE. I may be offering a cheaper option with the 12au7, because the Telefunken ($100 each) and RCA ($25 each) both sound very good in different ways. The Jensen input transformer ($90 after shipping) is critical to the tone. The Edcor output ($10) is less critical, so I can save some money there. At any rate, I'm not going into business with these. I just want to sell a handful so others can enjoy the tone it adds to their recordings. That will justify the year of design put into it and help me fund my hobby. Yeah I was interested in your product and trying to learn more đ. The basis or circuit and what itâs designed/ aimed for and what type of tonality is it based around? Thanks so much for the link regarding the line to mic level transformers! Glad we can agree that price is not relative to quality đ I found that the locomotive does not use new tubes it uses NOS tubes like your product.. quote from builder Eric Strouth: â How did you keep its noise floor so quiet?â A lot of trial and error! The EF86 input tube was a great place to start. Iâve tried all the new EF86 tubes available, and I have to say that Iâve found their quality control lacking. Lately, weâve been sourcing âNew Old Stockâ tubes that are actually cheaper and way better in terms of reliability and noise floor. It is important that we run all tubes for several days at high voltages before making the final decision as to whether or not they will make it out the door â Reichenbach/ Jensen / Cinemag history: ( if anyone cares lol ) From Jensen site ( www.jensen-transformers.com/full-history/) even more history and info on cinemagâs site ( cinemag.biz/about-us/about-us.php ) Reichenbachâs son Is the head of Cinemag... Jensen transformers were made by Reichenbach ( Cinemag ) originally ... Ed Reichenbach, who supplied transformers to Quad-Eight, had been building made-to-order transformers since the 1940s for Altec, Langevin, Electrodyne, and others, and Deane used these designs as his starting point. He became obsessed with how audio transformers interacted with system electronics, and began research to solve the âbad soundingâ problems. Now Jensen are made by Radial Eng...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 25, 2017 12:02:50 GMT -6
Wow thatâs more than the locomtove audio tube pre I am looking at ..neither seem to offer line level capabilities without adding step down transformers ... Good luck with your product! Build quality looks great Use one of these if you want to reamp a line level signal through a tube preamp. www.diyrecordingequipment.com/products/l2pThese are DIY do they require soldering? I canât seem to get more info from the product page... This may be good for me to get my soldering skills back up to par! Thanks again
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Post by rocinante on Sept 25, 2017 16:35:25 GMT -6
Cinemag Transformers are very high-quality transformers made by a very high-quality company. Nobody is skimping nothing by using Cinemag transformers. Warm Audio made their product seems more 'legit' because they advertised that they used cinemag everywhere on every package, hoping customers would consider their products hi-end to be using such high-quality transformers. You have it backwards. I remember when you were working on this preamp and how excited you were when you finished it. Amongst the geniuses over at Groupdiy who create incredible hi quality and clever designs your excitement was refreshing. I remember when I built my first tube preamp and how excited I was too. I wanted to show the world. There's something very satisfying about looking at a schematic and creating a piece of hi quality and engineering art from it. I have sold a couple of pieces (mostly Helios stuff) which without the help of Ian Thompson Bell and other GDIY dudes never would have been done. I never sold any of my tube preamps as it just didn't seem worth it considering all the products out there that could offer extra features I couldn't afford for less than it took me to build. Locomotive Audio makes good products and they are nice guys and there is A LOT to be learned from them. I actually bought some of their extra components they were selling (they bought a lot of stuff in bulk) for my own projects. Using the search engine over at GDIY there is a ton to be learned by those guys. More than a few of them are the owners and designers and engineers of some of most respected and highest quality recording equipment products available, and they have consistently dropped gems of information over the years that is worth reading and rereading. At any rate good luck with your product. Looks nice and I remember it sounded pretty good too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 25, 2017 16:46:41 GMT -6
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Post by bluegrassdan on Sept 25, 2017 23:45:07 GMT -6
I said that the Jensen transformers are more expensive and that Locomotive is saving a few dollars using Cinemag. That statement was not to reflect on the quality, just the price.
Thanks for the encouragement. Ian definitely helped me in figuring out a new PSU design and gave me some pointers on the audio side too. Those guys at GroupDIY have many lifetimes of experience.
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