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Post by schmalzy on Sept 22, 2017 13:04:45 GMT -6
You cats tried it yet? It just came out but, since I have a subscription, I nabbed it right away. www.thehouseofkush.com/plugins/novatronI was having a hard time with a kick drum last night. It's on a mostly rocking project (and, thus, the basic tracks - drums, bass, one rhythm guitar were laid down that way) but this song over the course of production has taken a little mellower a sound for most of the song (there's a third of it that still gets loud and dense). Attempting to get it to be audible and come through the mix with EQ and a couple other compressors gave me something that didn't speak enough or got buried. It's like the attack-to-tone ratio wasn't coming out the right way. The attack always seemed too "RAWK" when it was audible. Tried Novatron on a slower attack and medium release with some saturation. It seemed to calm the attack's frequency aggressiveness but made it knock harder. I tried to EQ for that sound but sounded paper-y. Using the saturation with the compression made it less paper and more knock. I think it works much better! Anyone else used it yet?
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 23, 2017 17:35:26 GMT -6
Incredible. Just swapping it in place of Disto, it completely slayed it. Slays MJUC and Arouser too. Novatron is the most musical and organized sounding while also evening out dynamics the best of all. Quickest to get results with too. What it's really great at is bringing out a big, pleasing bass presence without making it boomy, even with the HPF set around 200. Exciting and smooth treble. So far I've only been using it on 88/96 mastering sessions of Rock and Metal. Combining it with Black Box, Pulsetec, bx_console, Hornet Tape, NLS, Vsc-2, TCL-2, TapeDesk, Oxford Limiter, Dopamine, and some others. The oversampling button doesn't seem to make a huge difference when working at 88/96. It seems to be doing a lot more than compression. Novatron is taking the best elements of saturation and compression and making it easy to get a top notch sound. I'll have to try using it on vocals instead of CLA76 or Disto. I guess there's some $10 subscription service. Waiting on FG-Stress since I like Disto so much. Too bad there's no demo for Sknote, I'd like to try Disto's new versions. People have claimed they've had to dispute Sknote charges after Quinto fails to respond to refund requests. The subscription thing could make sense if something better comes along in 6-15 months. Why make the $150 purchase investment?
All this subscription stuff does is make me want to only purchase from companies who don't offer it. Given the probable maturity and oversaturation of the plugin market, you'd think they'd knock the purchase prices down to something like $50-$100. Are there really that many new customers entering who don't own anything? I don't want to subscribe to every company who releases something I want, but I also don't want to pay $150 per plugin. Seems like almost every company is offering subscriptions of some kind. I wonder how it's working out. To me, it encourages flakery because the customer doesn't need to invest a lot. The most they'd invest is a prepaid subscription of some sort. I'm not sure any one company's line is enough to give a fullish picture of what's possible with digital audio nowadays. Maybe the people who spend less than $50 on subscribing would've bought nothing if that option didn't exist? Or maybe 50% of subscribers would've bought at least one $100+ plugin before flaking out?
The solution for me is just to limit purchases and only buy things that make a huge change. The more my inventory increases, the higher the threshold gets. Novatron meets that threshold, it's that good. Due to the cost though, I'll end up passing on a lot of other stuff that's similarly priced. I would've gotten in on that Waves $29 sale this year bigtime if I hadn't already bought what I wanted from them. Then there's the whole WUP thing that makes me want to ditch their plugins altogether. We also have to look at plugin price relative to other things one needs for a DAW. A Ryzen 1600 is $199 and can even handle biggish 96k sessions with lots of plugins spread throughout all the tracks. I'd encourage everyone to try this out because it's living up to the hype.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 28, 2017 17:51:32 GMT -6
Man the demo for this is crazy
Anyone checked this out? Who uses Kush Audio Plugins? How are they? They def have my attention and I am liking what I am hearing ...
This emulates blazing fast fet/ vca And mu style reduction altering the attack and releases as well as 3 different modes for compression style tone and action...
Demo below ->>> 🤤🤤🤤🤤
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Post by viciousbliss on Sept 29, 2017 3:07:25 GMT -6
I've left a lot of comments at the other place. Still think it's top notch. Tried it against Presswerk, Arouser, Disto, Deflector, MJUC, FG-Stress, Black Box and it just slays all of them. I mean, not even close. Ease of use and cpu optimization are top notch. Sound is beyond what I thought possible with plugins. Novatron just gets better the more I use it. If you slap it on every track it gives a ton of cohesion and can get the dynamics close to an ideal when partnered with the right plugins. Kush has always made great sounding stuff, it's just that the cpu hits were huge. Greg has since figured out how to drastically reduce cpu consumption without sacrificing quality. The subscription is like $10 a month or $100 a year and definitely worthwhile. I may sign up until Novatron goes on sale. Unless he starts releasing a lot. I think with other companies the releases haven't been very frequent. Maybe like 2-3 plugins a year.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 29, 2017 3:27:19 GMT -6
The thing about Kush is the plugs are very well thought out for utility and features and the sound quality is top notch.
You would need 3 ua plugs to cover this same type ground and you still would not have all the features of this one plug in ?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 29, 2017 7:55:07 GMT -6
It shocks me sometimes to see how many threads get passed over by most here at RGO ... I figured this would be a huge discussion considering the sound and capabilities. Can’t wait to put this puppy Thru it’s paces 🤠🤘 jcoutu1 have you seen this plug by Kush?
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Post by schmalzy on Sept 29, 2017 9:04:40 GMT -6
I dig the Kush plugins. I have the subscription (they are some of the few 3rd party plugins I own) and they get used a ton.
UBK-1 is a really good bus/group compressor. I often use it on vocal groups, drum groups, drum parallel, and/or bass. It's fantastic at smashing stuff up. It's also on my parallel mix bus as a saturation/smash/distortion/pumping thing. I dig it.
Hammer EQ is on my master bus. 1db at 10k does something that I don't find other places. The low end is nice, too.
Clariphonic gets used on a lot of things when I need brightness/air, etc.. I just used it on a dull, thuddy snare drum the other day. It gave me top end nothing else was giving me.
Electra gets used on percussive stuff and stuff where I need impact and/or narrow cuts. The low shelf plus HPF has been useful on low end instruments in dense mixes where I've got a lot competing for space.
Pusher gets used less but the Diode Limiter section is killer and sometimes the transient saturation/magnetization stuff is super useful and kind of the only thing that does what I want when it's the thing I need.
I'm in the middle of some mixes for an EP right now. Novatron is sneaking its way into some tracks and I'm digging what it's doing. The unlinked stereo has been great for controlling background vocal groups and rhythm guitar groups plus the saturation is helping thicken/fatten percussion stuff. It's also done a good job holding the bass in place without making it lifeless.
The Omega Transformer plugins get used for some transient shaving and some non-EQ tonal shifts. They get used on many of the individual tracks.
I'm not at the level many of you cats are at but these tools seem to be helping me make stuff happen in my world. That's the biggest endorsement I can give any tool I have.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 29, 2017 9:20:12 GMT -6
schmalzyThanks for the informative post man! Got me even more interested mane ðŸ¤
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Post by jcoutu1 on Sept 29, 2017 10:07:37 GMT -6
It shocks me sometimes to see how many threads get passed over by most here at RGO ... I figured this would be a huge discussion considering the sound and capabilities. Can’t wait to put this puppy Thru it’s paces 🤠🤘 jcoutu1 have you seen this plug by Kush? Haven't checked it out yet. Been totally engulfed with trying to get the new studio space sorted out and can't really grab any plugins while I'm getting my tracking needs sorted. Watching the video will just make me want to spend more money.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 13:11:08 GMT -6
Who uses Kush Audio Plugins? How are they? They're the tit's .......
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Post by henge on Nov 1, 2017 11:33:32 GMT -6
Gotta bump this for more discussion! LOVING Novatron. A true sound shaper imo. Very fat sound.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 1, 2017 11:37:59 GMT -6
It shocks me sometimes to see how many threads get passed over by most here at RGO ... I figured this would be a huge discussion considering the sound and capabilities. Can’t wait to put this puppy Thru it’s paces 🤠🤘 jcoutu1 have you seen this plug by Kush? So why lead with the asshole comment? Just to be an asshole?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 1, 2017 11:51:15 GMT -6
Haven’t tried much other than the UBK-1 - but I love that thing. I use it on the drum bus all the time when I’m itb and the different sounds you can get from it are nothing short of amazing.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 1, 2017 16:19:23 GMT -6
It shocks me sometimes to see how many threads get passed over by most here at RGO ... I figured this would be a huge discussion considering the sound and capabilities. Can’t wait to put this puppy Thru it’s paces 🤠🤘 jcoutu1 have you seen this plug by Kush? So why lead with the asshole comment? Just to be an asshole? No I think you did a much better job with being an asshole with your post! This Plug is awesome and I thought the thread would be more popular, also lots of other threads I think would be more popular aren’t and that’s exactly what I meant.. Stop reading into and misinterpreting what I write. I take a break from here and come back to this as the first thing.. being called an asshole smh wow
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 1, 2017 17:18:29 GMT -6
So why lead with the asshole comment? Just to be an asshole? No I think you did a much better job with being an asshole with your post! This Plug is awesome and I thought the thread would be more popular, also lots of other threads I think would be more popular aren’t and that’s exactly what I meant.. Stop reading into and misinterpreting what I write. I take a break from here and come back to this as the first thing.. being called an asshole smh wow You want to take another break? You've been complaining and whining in every thread...then you lead with that. That was a shot at this board...I'm sure you'll say it wasn't...I'm not the only one that has noticed you being pissed all the time.
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Post by viciousbliss on Nov 1, 2017 19:07:37 GMT -6
I've started not using compressors a lot of the time now. A lot of the time compressors bring up spitty and hissy sounds too much, even on gentler settings. Then there's that thing Greg talked about in the official Novatron thread about digital peak energy vs analog. So I've tried to go simpler with just the default settings on Bx_Console N. Using Aroma, Phoenix, or Tapedesk followed by Dopamine seemed to do just fine. I've also been trying to minimize eq moves. On the master, just another BX, tape, and Lindell 354. Novatron is still my favorite compressor by far. Maybe it'll go onsale this month. I've found that Tapedesk set to SSL is far more impressive than Phoenix, Aroma, or RA paired with Dopamine. These tape plugs seem to need the Dolby action from Dopamine to really sound their best.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 3, 2017 14:25:35 GMT -6
The Kush plugins sound a little crude to me.
I've tried the Omega transformers, the clariphonic, and the Hammer. I just find they sort of go 'too far' too quickly when I'm trying to dial in sounds.
I think he's got some great ideas, just needs to learn a little more finesse.
That said, I have NOT tried the Novatron.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 3, 2017 15:09:10 GMT -6
The Clariphonic can help sometimes, but it's also edgy. I didn't buy the update because I felt $50 was too much for an update. I think it should be $20 or less. The development and advertising costs have been accounted for already, an upgrade is an upgrade, not a new plug-in, despite the sales pitch. There are so many choices these days, I think plug-in value needs reexamination. I'm referring to many companies, to just Kush.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2017 17:48:00 GMT -6
I demoed. Really cool. Definitely adds some saturation and weight...
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 4, 2017 19:16:36 GMT -6
I did the demo today - its not my taste.
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