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Post by johneppstein on Sept 13, 2017 22:29:12 GMT -6
Exactly right. Vinyl is a loser even for big name artists. I assume they do it to scratch an itch for some? I am one of those itchers. I buy vinyl all the time. I still love my records. Listen to them for enjoyment. But there are few like me I'm guessing. It's weird, because I know the owner of an independent distributor and from what I understand vinyl is their business now. Everybody makes money except the artists.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 14, 2017 7:39:24 GMT -6
Sept 13, 2017 22:05:38 GMT -5 ericn said:
I haven't spent anytime listening to Vinyl since I lost the SOTA & Audio Reseach gear in IKE, personally I think vinyl is at its best where
PT hasn't done its thing. That's hard to find in modern releases, I hear most 180 gram Audiophile blah blah blah releases just are not up to the sonic standards of the 70's - 80's they aren't bad just don't hold up to the standard of Mobile Fidelty Crime of the Century, or Beatles White Album.
The misuse of PT is the problem. Analog stages in digital gear comparable to pro analog tape machines would be far more expensive than most people would be willing to pay. RADAR comes close but is a bit crunchy in my experience. Dropping levels a bunch is the only thing I've heard work. Tascam gear and recorders had the same problem.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 14, 2017 8:31:08 GMT -6
It's weird, because I know the owner of an independent distributor and from what I understand vinyl is their business now. Everybody makes money except the artists. Well sure, but I'm wondering how there's margin for anyone at all.
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Post by john on Sept 14, 2017 9:05:11 GMT -6
check out www.gottagrooverecords.com/from my own window shopping this is where I would go. they have a 'retail ready' 300 count that amounts to about $6 a unit minus shipping. pretty decent considering it includes everything. I read and heard about many quality control issues/ arrogance from the larger US plants. Also plan for months of waiting no matter where you go. Might already be too late for this coming Christmas for your project. is that for a single or an LP? this is for an LP as the original poster requested.
I think there is an aura of accomplishment to get the project on vinyl. It can effect how the project is perceived to positive results. The vinyl shows listeners that you have gone beyond the standard digital platform and I believe there are a lot fans who appreciate that. Especially those who did not grow up on records as the standard and are growing tired of streaming. Are they hipsters for this? I don't care if they prefer craft beer and wear a flannel beard. Do they like the music enough to add it to their collection? That's the question. Can you independently see this idea through financially and logistically from production to delivery? That's the answer.
Vincent I think its awesome that you can still sell cds. I certainly miss those days. But unless you are ok with losing money you need to step up the records to at least 300 units. And like Bob said, 500 doesn't cost much more than 300 which would allow you to consider a lower asking price. Ha! its a tough choice.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 14, 2017 9:36:22 GMT -6
I've had several clients tell me they fell for the vinyl thing after hearing so much enthusiastic commentary, yet sold practically none in the end, while their CD's sell consistently at shows. One is a fairly young acoustic duo styled a bit like early Avett with drums on foot pedals, the other a fairly established regional rockabilly band with a 20 year history.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 14, 2017 13:12:48 GMT -6
The only sales I've heard of have been off the stage and I suspect it was mostly for the jacket.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 14, 2017 16:22:49 GMT -6
The only sales I've heard of have been off the stage and I suspect it was mostly for the jacket. Most of the sales of my first one were actually off my barstool hanging out at the pub in my old neighborhood. Of course that probably cannabalized some of my off the stage sales. We'll see how the new one does. I think I've managed to raise enough money to get a few CDs pressed.
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Post by john on Sept 14, 2017 16:33:05 GMT -6
The only sales I've heard of have been off the stage and I suspect it was mostly for the jacket. Performing is definitely the ultimate gateway but ive also seen a strong social media following alongside a strong project buzz generate results. Especially for genres where a stage show or touring isn't central. A simple search of places like bandcamp can show that many independent releases with these attributes show sold out vinyl. All under the terms 'limited' / 'special edition' / 'pink-swirl colored' etc... Hell, some of these folks have made collecting their releases on vinyl a hip thing to do. I personally know several groups who have sold out of their limited 300 or 500 vinyl runs without ever doing a show. This is very grassroots niche stuff of course for the underground scene. If a group or artist can muster up 5,000 true followers online moving 300 pieces of vinyl can be fairly easy. I buy at least 2-3 albums a month from groups just like this and I am certainly not alone.
I think videos are huge for this. Its ironic because they say video killed the radio but today... if an independent artist releases an album without some kind of visual accompaniment, did it actually ever happen? like a tree falling in the forest.
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Post by rowmat on Sept 14, 2017 16:35:41 GMT -6
About 50% of all physical music sales my studio partner's band makes are vinyl.
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Post by EmRR on Sept 14, 2017 16:53:13 GMT -6
Then there are those hobby labels for collectors, creating rarity for rarities sake with fancy 7" pressings numbering in the 30-50 range, instant sell out to collectors who collect only for the sake of collecting. No money, but lots of glitz. Probably no music consumed at all in most cases.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Sept 15, 2017 0:32:26 GMT -6
This was an awesome vid goes into the pressing and recording to Vinyl
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