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Post by johneppstein on Sept 13, 2017 13:03:02 GMT -6
Thanks, Don! That was actualy one of the first 2 or 3 songs I learned on guitar. I thought it was cool that Bruce Springsteen recorded "Fox Went Out On A Chilly Night" a few years ago. Both that and "Go Tell Aunt Grody" were songs I learned in the first grade ages ago. Don't know if they still do that. Probably not. Yeah, probably not...
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Post by drbill on Sept 14, 2017 17:40:55 GMT -6
I thought smoke on the water was the first song everyone learned.....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 14, 2017 17:56:19 GMT -6
First song.. simultaneously," If I Were a Carpenter" and "The Eve of Destruction". Not sure which I finished first.
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Post by Ward on Sept 14, 2017 19:17:49 GMT -6
For me, it was The Ventures' Walk Don't Run. My uncle was a huge fan and decided I should start with them and Roy Clark. Just a bit much for a 4 year old, don't ya think?
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 14, 2017 20:46:07 GMT -6
I thought smoke on the water was the first song everyone learned..... Boy, you're young!
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Post by ericn on Sept 14, 2017 20:57:53 GMT -6
I thought smoke on the water was the first song everyone learned..... Boy, you're young! Hey he's my age ! Oh that's right I'm the only who was aged an extra 20 years!
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Post by cathedralguitar on Sept 22, 2017 15:38:40 GMT -6
Gibson has done a bunch of these special editions out of the most expensive tonewoods, like the "The Les Paul" which was a $3k LP Custom in 1979 when a regular LPC sold for $1k, and now the asking price for these "The Les Paul" is $20k. Does it sound better than a standard issue LPC? Probably not, but it looks great, and is quite rare, and guitar players are very emotional creatures, unlike the audio engineer!! Funny how Neumann gets panned for using a marketing strategy that Gibson uses ad nausium. You could argue that the wood sounds "different" but often it not about tone, but adding more bling. Shure did some gold SM58s back in the day, and a lot of stars went for that.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 22, 2017 23:39:20 GMT -6
Gibson has done a bunch of these special editions out of the most expensive tonewoods, like the "The Les Paul" which was a $3k LP Custom in 1979 when a regular LPC sold for $1k, and now the asking price for these "The Les Paul" is $20k. Does it sound better than a standard issue LPC? Probably not, but it looks great, and is quite rare, and guitar players are very emotional creatures, unlike the audio engineer!! Funny how Neumann gets panned for using a marketing strategy that Gibson uses ad nausium. You could argue that the wood sounds "different" but often it not about tone, but adding more bling. Shure did some gold SM58s back in the day, and a lot of stars went for that. Who says I don't have EXACTLY the same attitude about Gibson? Why would I buy a "museum grade" J-200 that's encrusted with abalone and silver wire inlay, mirror matched pick guards (screws up the tone) and dog knows what other bling for $30,00-$50,00? I want to PLAY the damn thing, not hang it on the wall! And it really pisses me off that they're wasting quality woods and skilled craftsmanship that the real Gibson used to put into EVERY J-200 on some rich man's toy that nobody's ever really going to play. Meanwhile the "production" version - which still lists for around $5,000 - looks like the detail work was done by some apprentice's pet monkey. And sounds like crap next to a real one.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 22, 2017 23:41:23 GMT -6
Gibson has done a bunch of these special editions out of the most expensive tonewoods, like the "The Les Paul" which was a $3k LP Custom in 1979 when a regular LPC sold for $1k, and now the asking price for these "The Les Paul" is $20k. Does it sound better than a standard issue LPC? Probably not, but it looks great, and is quite rare, and guitar players are very emotional creatures, unlike the audio engineer!! Funny how Neumann gets panned for using a marketing strategy that Gibson uses ad nausium. You could argue that the wood sounds "different" but often it not about tone, but adding more bling. Shure did some gold SM58s back in the day, and a lot of stars went for that. Those Shures didn't cost THAT much more than the regular ones. Maybe $50. Maybe.
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Post by ericn on Sept 23, 2017 21:56:22 GMT -6
Gibson has done a bunch of these special editions out of the most expensive tonewoods, like the "The Les Paul" which was a $3k LP Custom in 1979 when a regular LPC sold for $1k, and now the asking price for these "The Les Paul" is $20k. Does it sound better than a standard issue LPC? Probably not, but it looks great, and is quite rare, and guitar players are very emotional creatures, unlike the audio engineer!! Funny how Neumann gets panned for using a marketing strategy that Gibson uses ad nausium. You could argue that the wood sounds "different" but often it not about tone, but adding more bling. Shure did some gold SM58s back in the day, and a lot of stars went for that. Those Shures didn't cost THAT much more than the regular ones. Maybe $50. Maybe. In the end they were going for $150 because not even the dealers bought in at the original price ! I'll bet half the shots of big names using it are prop shop rentals or modded gold flake painted 58's !
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Post by drew571 on Sept 24, 2017 7:17:15 GMT -6
Will the rhodium make it sound as good as a Slate virtual microphone 87?
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Post by stratboy on Sept 24, 2017 11:08:39 GMT -6
Will the rhodium make it sound as good as a Slate virtual microphone 87? I think slate should make a simulation of the rhodium model 😀 It will sound better!
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Sept 24, 2017 15:12:00 GMT -6
Thanks, Don! That was actualy one of the first 2 or 3 songs I learned on guitar. I thought it was cool that Bruce Springsteen recorded "Fox Went Out On A Chilly Night" a few years ago. Both that and "Go Tell Aunt Grody" were songs I learned in the first grade ages ago. Don't know if they still do that. Probably not. I almost fell out of my chair when I read "Aunt Grody". "Grody", in California Valley-Speak, carries a connotation of something extremely disgusting,, as in "grody to the max!". Think Zappa, Haha. I believe the correct title is "Go Tell Aunt Rhody". I only know this because I just finished mastering a lovely new Shawn Colvin album which includes that song. On an aside, my nephews were thrilled when they got picks from band members at your show at the Couch House this week. They tell me BOC rocks!! Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 15:43:04 GMT -6
They probably just want to expand and start marketing to cats with an extra "shiny" edition.. Can't deny it though, I like shiny things too.
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Post by donr on Sept 24, 2017 21:17:32 GMT -6
I thought it was cool that Bruce Springsteen recorded "Fox Went Out On A Chilly Night" a few years ago. Both that and "Go Tell Aunt Grody" were songs I learned in the first grade ages ago. Don't know if they still do that. Probably not. I almost fell out of my chair when I read "Aunt Grody". "Grody", in California Valley-Speak, carries a connotation of something extremely disgusting,, as in "grody to the max!". Think Zappa, Haha. I believe the correct title is "Go Tell Aunt Rhody". I only know this because I just finished mastering a lovely new Shawn Colvin album which includes that song. On an aside, my nephews were thrilled when they got picks from band members at your show at the Couch House this week. They tell me BOC rocks!! Absolutely. Scott, I stand corrected. Through the cobweb of memory, Rhody became Grody. Ha. Shawn Colvin must have heard that song too as a younster.
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Post by cathedralguitar on Sept 25, 2017 10:13:32 GMT -6
Fyi, here is the 1969 retail prices for the Shure gold mics: < www.shure.com/americas/support/find-an-answer/gold-shure-microphones> Also, Gibson has made every kind of LP model imaginable, and I find it interesting that the ones with the least amount of bling have dropped off the catalog due to lack of demand. So I think it is a mistake to think that one's personal choice of a LP is representative of most LP buyers, as obviously there is a pretty big spectrum of demand across widely differing price points. They are doing a limited edition of 500 Anniversary U87s, and so I'm guessing that is the number of buyers they think are out there. Obviously they are not for everyone, or even most everyone.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 25, 2017 17:00:17 GMT -6
Fyi, here is the 1969 retail prices for the Shure gold mics: < www.shure.com/americas/support/find-an-answer/gold-shure-microphones> Also, Gibson has made every kind of LP model imaginable, and I find it interesting that the ones with the least amount of bling have dropped off the catalog due to lack of demand. So I think it is a mistake to think that one's personal choice of a LP is representative of most LP buyers, as obviously there is a pretty big spectrum of demand across widely differing price points. They are doing a limited edition of 500 Anniversary U87s, and so I'm guessing that is the number of buyers they think are out there. Obviously they are not for everyone, or even most everyone. I'm not at all sure of that unless you don't count Juniors as Les Pauls. That being said, I've always thought the "Les Paul Studio" model lacking the binding looked cheap and cheesy and I wouldn't buy one - even if I didn't think that the overall workmanship on those and similar "budget models" was inferior. Which, in my experience, checking out the wall at GC, they are. Which might be one reason they don't sell well. Interestingly, in the new line they do have one "studio" model with binding - on the neck only. Probably a bit of an improvement, as it should help with thye sharp fret ends, but the body still looks incomplete. My feelings are that there should be 2 Les Pauls (That aren't in the Junior series), the Standard and the Custom - andf the Custom should be "Custom Shop" quality and ideally should not have the maple top, like the REAL Les Pauil Customs made in the '50s... There should be two models in the "Junior" line - the Junior and the Special, which should be available in standard red and "TV Lime" at a small premium. Just like the old days. And no "chambering". If I wanted a Guild Bluesbird or a Gretsch "Jet" I'd buy one. Or if they MUST do a Les Paul style with chambering, call it something else. People who know good guitars won't go for the stripped down LPs because the perception is that the quality is not good and I can't believe that there's enough demand for the blinged-out "super custom" models to really be worthwhile. Meanwhile they dilute their product line by making all manner of "signature models" and "special editions" that are of relatively limited appeal and often just look butt-ugly. What they SHOULD do instead is allow ordering of custom features at a reasonable premium, just like Gibson used to do in the old days.
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Post by ericn on Sept 25, 2017 18:39:35 GMT -6
Fyi, here is the 1969 retail prices for the Shure gold mics: < www.shure.com/americas/support/find-an-answer/gold-shure-microphones> Also, Gibson has made every kind of LP model imaginable, and I find it interesting that the ones with the least amount of bling have dropped off the catalog due to lack of demand. So I think it is a mistake to think that one's personal choice of a LP is representative of most LP buyers, as obviously there is a pretty big spectrum of demand across widely differing price points. They are doing a limited edition of 500 Anniversary U87s, and so I'm guessing that is the number of buyers they think are out there. Obviously they are not for everyone, or even most everyone. I'm not at all sure of that unless you don't count Juniors as Les Pauls. That being said, I've always thought the "Les Paul Studio" model lacking the binding looked cheap and cheesy and I wouldn't buy one - even if I didn't think that the overall workmanship on those and similar "budget models" was inferior. Which, in my experience, checking out the wall at GC, they are. Which might be one reason they don't sell well. Interestingly, in the new line they do have one "studio" model with binding - on the neck only. Probably a bit of an improvement, as it should help with thye sharp fret ends, but the body still looks incomplete. My feelings are that there should be 2 Les Pauls (That aren't in the Junior series), the Standard and the Custom - andf the Custom should be "Custom Shop" quality and ideally should not have the maple top, like the REAL Les Pauil Customs made in the '50s... There should be two models in the "Junior" line - the Junior and the Special, which should be available in standard red and "TV Lime" at a small premium. Just like the old days. And no "chambering". If I wanted a Guild Bluesbird or a Gretsch "Jet" I'd buy one. Or if they MUST do a Les Paul style with chambering, call it something else. People who know good guitars won't go for the stripped down LPs because the perception is that the quality is not good and I can't believe that there's enough demand for the blinged-out "super custom" models to really be worthwhile. Meanwhile they dilute their product line by making all manner of "signature models" and "special editions" that are of relatively limited appeal and often just look butt-ugly. What they SHOULD do instead is allow ordering of custom features at a reasonable premium, just like Gibson used to do in the old days. Like Gibson in the old days, they have a word for that up in Michigan, Heritage!😎
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Post by Ward on Sept 25, 2017 20:33:38 GMT -6
Like Gibson in the old days, they have a word for that up in Michigan, Heritage!😎 the Heritage guitars are TOO good. They don't feel like Gibsons. Anyhow, IMHO the very best Gibsons were made in 1982. Bar none. Without exception. I've owned and own Les Pauls from 1956 through to 2003, and played many many others and I have 2 from 1982, one custom 3 pup and one standard tobacco sunburst. There ain't nothing like them that even comes close. But outside of that year, the 1980 - 1987 is the best era and they are all pretty much amazing guitars in build and tone and playability. But the Heritage ones are just too good. (if you know what I mean)
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Post by ericn on Sept 25, 2017 20:39:17 GMT -6
Like Gibson in the old days, they have a word for that up in Michigan, Heritage!😎 the Heritage guitars are TOO good. They don't feel like Gibsons. Anyhow, IMHO the very best Gibsons were made in 1982. Bar none. Without exception. I've owned and own Les Pauls from 1956 through to 2003, and played many many others and I have 2 from 1982, one custom 3 pup and one standard tobacco sunburst. There ain't nothing like them that even comes close. But outside of that year, the 1980 - 1987 is the best era and they are all pretty much amazing guitars in build and tone and playability. But the Heritage ones are just too good. (if you know what I mean) I get it, but also see the quality that comes with true craftsmanship!
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 25, 2017 21:42:48 GMT -6
I'm not at all sure of that unless you don't count Juniors as Les Pauls. That being said, I've always thought the "Les Paul Studio" model lacking the binding looked cheap and cheesy and I wouldn't buy one - even if I didn't think that the overall workmanship on those and similar "budget models" was inferior. Which, in my experience, checking out the wall at GC, they are. Which might be one reason they don't sell well. Interestingly, in the new line they do have one "studio" model with binding - on the neck only. Probably a bit of an improvement, as it should help with thye sharp fret ends, but the body still looks incomplete. My feelings are that there should be 2 Les Pauls (That aren't in the Junior series), the Standard and the Custom - andf the Custom should be "Custom Shop" quality and ideally should not have the maple top, like the REAL Les Pauil Customs made in the '50s... There should be two models in the "Junior" line - the Junior and the Special, which should be available in standard red and "TV Lime" at a small premium. Just like the old days. And no "chambering". If I wanted a Guild Bluesbird or a Gretsch "Jet" I'd buy one. Or if they MUST do a Les Paul style with chambering, call it something else. People who know good guitars won't go for the stripped down LPs because the perception is that the quality is not good and I can't believe that there's enough demand for the blinged-out "super custom" models to really be worthwhile. Meanwhile they dilute their product line by making all manner of "signature models" and "special editions" that are of relatively limited appeal and often just look butt-ugly. What they SHOULD do instead is allow ordering of custom features at a reasonable premium, just like Gibson used to do in the old days. Like Gibson in the old days, they have a word for that up in Michigan, Heritage!😎 Almost, but not quite. Heritage doesn't make a lot of guitars that are sadly lacking in the market today, starting with a proper, well made J-200. Or any of the classic flat tops, for that matter.
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Post by cathedralguitar on Sept 26, 2017 9:19:07 GMT -6
I also love 80s Gibsons, as even some of the cheapest guitars got a real ebony FB -- unavailable now even on the most expensive LPCs. In terms of cheaper LPs that were around in the 80s that have gone the way of the dodo, "The Paul", LP Firebrand, Black Knight, Invader, Challenger and Les Paul XR-1 all come to mind, and I'm sure there are others I could find by checking the catalogs.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 28, 2017 21:04:09 GMT -6
Who would ever have dreamed that any management could be worse for Gibson than Norlin?
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2017 21:35:51 GMT -6
Who would ever have dreamed that any management could be worse for Gibson than Norlin? Don't go there John, Harman/ Samsung could buy them !
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 28, 2017 21:43:04 GMT -6
Who would ever have dreamed that any management could be worse for Gibson than Norlin? Don't go there John, Harman/ Samsung could buy them ! Yeah, they might start making Gibson refrigerators and bar stools! Oh, WAIT!!!!
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