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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 5, 2017 21:09:59 GMT -6
Before I wade through a half dozen youtube videos, can anyone explain why when I use EX Drummers tap to find feature it's terribly delayed? I have Superior Drummer, but got EZ Drummer for the tap to find feature. If I want to create a simple beat on a tom with accents on 1 and 3, when I try tapping, the delay is so bad, the beats fall in weird places. When I click, the sound of the drum is so delayed, it throws me off.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Sept 6, 2017 1:10:13 GMT -6
Same here too.....
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Post by lcr on Sept 6, 2017 5:36:26 GMT -6
Tap 2 find is being added to superior drummer 3, which will be released April 12.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 6, 2017 5:42:57 GMT -6
April 12 WTF ?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 6, 2017 6:50:14 GMT -6
I have Superior Drummer 2 and EZ Drummer. I haven't seen mention of an upgrade path, just that SD 3 will be available in a week. I've barely scratched the surface of all the features in SD2, so unless SD3 has something undeniably beneficial, I'll pass. If it was reasonable, like $60, maybe I'd bother.
OK, now, why the heck is Tap To Find so latent it's unusable?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2017 6:59:48 GMT -6
It most likely is because of the latency/buffer settings in your daw. Which daw do you use, Martin? I think it's logic. Here's a link - go down to "adjust buffer settings" - support.apple.com/en-us/HT207527 |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 6, 2017 7:02:11 GMT -6
Thanks John, I'll take a look, but even when I had the buffer size pretty low, it didn't change. I'll try again and scroll through the lowest buffer settings and report back.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 6, 2017 8:56:57 GMT -6
Also - do you have any plugs on the master bus? If they have latency, that can slow things down too. Might just have to disable them for a second.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 6, 2017 9:22:37 GMT -6
Good idea John, thanks for thinking on it. I kept Low Latency on, and lowered the buffer, and it was better, although not completely right.
I think low latency turns off the plugs in the 2 bus as well as the others, but I'll turn them off anyway next time just to see. One good thing, although the beat I was tapping was off, it was close enough to the kinds of beats I was looking for that I found a few very workable beats, so it worked, yay. It was a bumpier ride than it should be, but I did get there. I'll see what else I can dig up on this.
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Post by donr on Sept 6, 2017 9:40:44 GMT -6
DAW buffer latency is the bane of all VI's.
Now, UAD could make a move hosting a simple drum machine, even if just to make beat data for fuller drum software.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 6, 2017 10:30:15 GMT -6
just get a phone app that lets you Tap Tempo.
wait, nevermind I have no idea what feature you're talking about.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 6, 2017 14:26:43 GMT -6
Glad you're back at the boards Chuck, I hope all is well after your move. The Tap To Find feature enables you to create a beat by clicking on the drums pictured in the GUI. You set tempo, and then play your beat. Then EZ Drummer searches for the closest patterns and lists them in order of similarity to the programmed beat. This way you get closer to the beat you want very quickly, instead of searching around and through every record.
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Post by wiz on Sept 6, 2017 15:34:13 GMT -6
Glad you're back at the boards Chuck, I hope all is well after your move. The Tap To Find feature enables you to create a beat by clicking on the drums pictured in the GUI. You set tempo, and then play your beat. Then EZ Drummer searches for the closest patterns and lists them in order of similarity to the programmed beat. This way you get closer to the beat you want very quickly, instead of searching around and through every record. Try this... open an empty project..no plug ins... Instantiate EZDrummer, and then do you Tap to find thing... no latency? Maybe find what you want...save it as a groove... then go back to the other project and use it in there... If you have no latency issues in the new project with nothing in it... it basically answers your question... you have something in the other project ( a plug in) that is causing high latency...such as Linear EQ or Multiband processing etc... Also, I saw a price somewhere for SD3 and the upgrade from EZD to it... I think it was in the hundreds of dollars... cheers Wiz |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 6, 2017 19:24:51 GMT -6
Thanks Wiz, good to hear from you. I was so busy, I'd forgotten to actually try what you suggested. I was trying to redo drums on a track with a lot happening in it already. I shall give it a go tomorrow, just to see. I think I may have tried it and latency was still too much, but I'm not sure.
I have Superior Drummer 2.0, but I didn't see anything at their site regarding an upgrade charge.
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Post by popmann on Sept 6, 2017 21:39:13 GMT -6
Just something to keep in mind--you need to keep the EZD instrument track focused in the arrange window so it puts it into the smaller (less latent) instrument buffer.If you click onto some other track, it multithreads it into the large process buffer....and just because you open the UI of that plug in doesn't change that. Thus your Tap2Find will be latent. So, click on the track first---tap.....make sure there's no latency just tapping the drum VI.....THEN open the UI to use their T2F feature.
it's a maddening (IMO) function of Logic. Cubase always had the OPTION to do the whole "auto input monitor whatever track I select"--but, I just chose to manually handle record enable and input monitoring. Done. Never thought about that again. There's no way (I'm aware of) to get Logic to be manual that way.
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Post by wiz on Sept 6, 2017 21:43:09 GMT -6
Just something to keep in mind--you need to keep the EZD instrument track focused in the arrange window so it puts it into the smaller (less latent) instrument buffer.If you click onto some other track, it multithreads it into the large process buffer....and just because you open the UI of that plug in doesn't change that. Thus your Tap2Find will be latent. So, click on the track first---tap.....make sure there's no latency just tapping the drum VI.....THEN open the UI to use their T2F feature. it's a maddening (IMO) function of Logic. Cubase always had the OPTION to do the whole "auto input monitor whatever track I select"--but, I just chose to manually handle record enable and input monitoring. Done. Never thought about that again. There's no way (I'm aware of) to get Logic to be manual that way. and in the reverse.. make sure when you don't want to be doing stuff with EZD...its not focused.... click on another track cheers Wiz |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 7, 2017 3:05:55 GMT -6
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