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Post by johneppstein on Sept 8, 2017 12:44:18 GMT -6
Healthily drive the amp during reamping? What exactly do you think your recording level has to do with that? As far as I can see thet's totally dependent on the maximum level that your DAC can supply, which has nothing to do with the input level to the ADC. You output level is determined by the level you supply the DAC from the DAW program, which has a maximum level of 0dBfs regardless of input level. So the strength of the reamp signal is totally dependent on how much your DAC puts out from a 0dB fs signal, not the input level to the ADC, unless something is very wrong with your system. Which I doubt. However there's something else to consider that somebody on another forum mentioned, which is the fact that the dynamic range of the raw output of a guitar pickup is around 150 dB (according to my source, I have not done any measurements), which is very much in excess of what your DAC is likely to provide from the recorded signal - which means that the input of the amp or FX chain used in reamping isn't going to really behave the same as it would if driven by the guitar itself. Dunno how much bearing this has on the realities of reamping but it's something to think about. The other day, someone here referred to you as a "scolding contrarian". I'd say that description was accurate.... Scolding contrarian? No. I asked a simple question, with logic to back it up - what does the output level out of your DAW have to do with the recording level into the DAW? I believe that the answer to that question would be "nothing", but if I'm mistaken I am, as always, interested in learning why that would not be correct. We learn by discussion. We don't learn by getting defensive. I don't see how asking that question would be considered as "scolding" or "contrary".
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Post by Quint on Sept 8, 2017 14:27:19 GMT -6
The other day, someone here referred to you as a "scolding contrarian". I'd say that description was accurate.... Scolding contrarian? No. I asked a simple question, with logic to back it up - what does the output level out of your DAW have to do with the recording level into the DAW? I believe that the answer to that question would be "nothing", but if I'm mistaken I am, as always, interested in learning why that would not be correct. We learn by discussion. We don't learn by getting defensive. I don't see how asking that question would be considered as "scolding" or "contrary". Like I said. You have a certain "tone" in the way you interact with people.... Of course it's not audio - at that point the signal isn't actually audio - it's math. And the WAVs are "just 24 bit" because interfaces only handle 24 bit fixed point - there's no such thing as a floating point interface. People have quaint ideas. Obviously I don't mean the bits themselves are somehow physical sound waves, John. I know you like to play the scolding contrarian but there's no need to straw man the (potential) point Don was relaying. It's got nothing to do with defensiveness, John. I'm just not going to converse with you when you act in that manner. Now, back on topic.
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Post by drbill on Sept 8, 2017 14:37:28 GMT -6
LOL. 150 dB may be theoretically correct, but I've never seen an electric guitarist have even 30-40dB of dynamic range under normal playing. Actually probably less than 10-15dB.
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Post by Quint on Sept 8, 2017 16:39:21 GMT -6
LOL. 150 dB may be theoretically correct, but I've never seen an electric guitarist have even 30-40dB of dynamic range under normal playing. Actually probably less than 10-15dB. After I read that last night I did a lot of deep google-diving and found some cryptic discussions with far more math than I feel comfortable being around. What I read was that passive pickups theoretically have near-infinite dynamic range but within a 'typical' guitar circuit that gets reduced down to the 145-150 db range. I agree with drBill though, no guitar player in the world has that kind of control. Incidentally I also learned the the maximum transient peak a guitar pickup can output is 1.5 V (3v peak to peak) so that's interesting (or not?) Regardless. I was once curious about this so i had a guitarist friend come by and we wired up my Creation Audio Labs MW1 and a instrument switcher so he would go direct though Pro Tools to his amp and we could A/B between going in to the amp vs. going through the reamp chain. We were able to get the two to a point - with a touch of level/impedance adjustments on the MW1 - to where they sounded pretty much identical to both of us. Not scientific by any means but it eased our minds as to whether or not there was any 'damage' done by reamping. I think it's like anything. you react to what you hear so while plugging a guitar in to an amp might cause it break up slightly differently than re-amping does (or not) you can just dial in the amp a touch differently to get what you want. You know, the MW1 has seemed super cool ever since I first heard about it. I just haven't ever been willing/able to pony up the cash for it. I do see that there's a two week sale going on right now for $795 though. That being said, the MW1 would be an example of going into the daw with a very clean signal for reamping later. Given the topic of this thread, I'd be curious what conclusion you would have reached with something less transparent than the MW1?
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