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Post by jin167 on Sept 4, 2017 21:03:00 GMT -6
interesting comments. make your own decision. I like this video, VERY interesting! My take is: We can make a choice of a simpler workflow (no dither) and create inaudible truncation distortion artifacts. Or we can choose a slightly more complicated workflow (insert an extra plugin), and create inaudible dither noise. I had chosen the former, and after this thread I've decided to go for the latter now. Good on you. Like I said, form your own opinion on this matter but understanding how technical stuff works (and I assume you do since you found the video interesting) comes before making comments about the sound (especially for things like dither). How something sounds is a very subjective matter. Math? Not so much. Making comments about how something sounds without having a proper understanding of how that sound is produced is, in my opinion, a waste of time.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 5, 2017 11:01:32 GMT -6
The idea of not needing 24 bit dither has been widely promoted and people repeat what they've read or heard in a video. On my Duntech monitors I can almost always hear a difference and I've demonstrated this to others numerous times.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 10, 2017 19:12:52 GMT -6
I checked, and I have the Waves IDR360 and I think there's a dither option in the L3 and L3 mastering limiter. Does it matter which of those I use, any particular options?I think thee's an optional dither setting in Logic, but I've always bypassed it. Should I use that or the Waves? You can download a lot of free dither plug ins at airwindows
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Post by wiz on Sept 10, 2017 19:20:26 GMT -6
I checked, and I have the Waves IDR360 and I think there's a dither option in the L3 and L3 mastering limiter. Does it matter which of those I use, any particular options?I think thee's an optional dither setting in Logic, but I've always bypassed it. Should I use that or the Waves? You can download a lot of free dither plug ins at airwindows thats what I use cheers Wiz
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Post by lcr on Sept 11, 2017 4:06:43 GMT -6
I started my testing first trying Pro L, Downloaded the good dither trial per recommendation in this discussion and now Im using that. I will report back after further use. So far I like the results. Not sure how to describe the improvement, smoother, cleaner maybe?
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 11, 2017 10:26:59 GMT -6
You can download a lot of free dither plug ins at airwindows thats what I use cheers Wiz Jupp its fair to give Chirs a few bucks a month via his Patreon. Becasue nearly all his plug ins are now free of charge. he hopes for more patreon payers... ans some of his plugs are genius strikes.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 11, 2017 21:30:19 GMT -6
Dumb question... why are the DAW manufacturers not doing this automatically for us? Brad Because they don't think it will do anything to sell more product to vast majority of their customers, most of whom are utterly ignorant technically. They'd much rather spend the development budget on flashy (but really fairly unimportant, technically) bells and whistles that will move more product to amateurs who have more disposable cash than brains or technical knowledge. Remember, people who are technically savvy constitute a very small - and dwindling - minority of people in the gear market these days. Furthermore, the corporate marketing people don't understand things like dither (and have no interest in learning) and are probably afraid of confusing and/or scaring off their customers.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 11, 2017 21:36:06 GMT -6
The idea of not needing 24 bit dither has been widely promoted and people repeat what they've read or heard in a video. On my Duntech monitors I can almost always hear a difference and I've demonstrated this to others numerous times. But most of those people probably think that Beats are premium listening phones. After all, they paid $200-$300 for them... That's if they're not listening on $3 earbuds. They probably can 't hear the difference.
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Post by nightstalker on Sept 13, 2017 17:29:38 GMT -6
My question about dither.
If say I have a 60 track daw session using my symphony mkii and I sum it out to my dangerous 2buss+ (and any additional outboard)
Do I add dither only to the 16 summed outputs from my symphony
Or
Do I add dither on each of the 60 tracks individually.
I assume all 60 tracks but hoping the former.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Sept 13, 2017 17:44:03 GMT -6
ONLY dither the summed output channels that are feeding converters.
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Post by nightstalker on Sept 14, 2017 1:01:50 GMT -6
ONLY dither the summed output channels that are feeding converters. Thanks for chiming in Bob. So in my case I'll be adding dither to only the 16 physical outputs that go into the summing amp that will feed back into the daw for a 2trk capture. I'm happy with that as that's not a workflow killer for my setup. Ive always assumed this but after reading through this thread with different setups from others I started to doubt myself.
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