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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 19, 2017 8:00:59 GMT -6
Yep. I'll grab some good interconnects in a couple of weeks. I have some Harmonic Technology interconnects that are great, but they're in a six pack that's bound together for home theater purposes. I use to be an HT hobbyist. I may cut it open and use them..
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 19, 2017 21:30:01 GMT -6
Tens even measure well when sitting on a meter bridge!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 20, 2017 10:03:27 GMT -6
I have them standing up on my desk with special "hockey puck like" Soft Shoes sound isolators underneath. They were left over from my audiophile days, when I'd put some sort of isolation device under every component. The need to be around 4 or 5" higher for the tweeter to be at ear level.
I'm readjusting. I did my first mix with them yesterday. When I checked it on headphones, ouch, way overcooked highs, edgy vocals. I'll keep trying..
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 20, 2017 20:21:10 GMT -6
To my surprise, I don't mind listening to music on these. I usually play something in iTunes on my recording system when I want to hear some background music, or just listen to a few songs for reference, and they sound pleasant enough in general. Maybe the Adcom amp is helping..
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Post by ericn on Aug 20, 2017 20:56:56 GMT -6
To my surprise, I don't mind listening to music on these. I usually play something in iTunes on my recording system when I want to hear some background music, or just listen to a few songs for reference, and they sound pleasant enough in general. Maybe the Adcom amp is helping.. Could be that high end and the effects of getting older my friend 😎 I was listening to a couple of tunes that I remember being insanely bright and they are now almost tolerable!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 20, 2017 22:02:17 GMT -6
Getting older does not cause a loss of high frequencies. Hearing damage begins in the midrange and older people simply have more hearing damage. The damage is not linear and is a matter of missing frequency bands. I learned this from James Johnston of Bell Labs and the doctor who gave a hearing exam at Vanderbilt was floored that I knew this.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 21, 2017 8:22:35 GMT -6
That is interesting Bob. I did one of those frequency sweep hearing tests and was able to hear just under 15k HZ. I was actually surprised, because I was a guy who rehearsed directly in front of a 100 W. Marshall stack for 5 or 6 years when I was between 16 and 22 yrs. old. I didn't know there could be missing frequency bands.
Ericn is probably right too. I did think that perhaps my hearing had changed and not the NS-10's sound so much ;-)
Good news, the 6 pack of short length high end cables I discovered in my cable storage box in my closet this weekend will works as my RCA cables. They were originally designed for home theater use when people took multi-channel audio out from their DVD player to their home theater processors as an alternative to using one digital cable. I wasn't sure if they were video or audio cables, but the manufacturer, Harmonic Technology, told me they were standard RCA's. Yay, now I can remove the Monster Cable RCA's and cut down on wire clutter too. The six cables are covered by a strong casing, so I'll have to cut it open first. But then I'll have six very nice RCA's to use, and not spend a dollar!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 21, 2017 9:34:36 GMT -6
With a decent amp NS 10s aren't that bad if they have a console or table underneath them.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 21, 2017 11:13:48 GMT -6
They're not as transparent as my Avantone Abbey was, but you're right, they're not bad. In fact, they're better than all of the under $900 monitors I listened to. I tried all the major current major brands.
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Post by ericn on Aug 21, 2017 11:30:10 GMT -6
With a decent amp NS 10s aren't that bad if they have a console or table underneath them. I don't know, How can you say that with those magnificent Duntechs I was using a pair about a week ago and there is just something strange in crossover region switched to the little Questeds and life was good, got home to the bigger Questeds and life was much better! That was with a Bryston 3B just back from the amp spa north of the borders!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 21, 2017 13:23:58 GMT -6
I do have mine on my desktop, so maybe that helps a bit. The white cones have some stain marks on them. I wonder if it's just from being old paper or maybe condensation from somewhere. I don't think anything was spilled on them. Attachments:
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Post by wiz on Aug 21, 2017 16:22:34 GMT -6
Its over 20 years since I mixed on NS10s... I have often wondered how I would go mixing on them.....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 21, 2017 21:58:47 GMT -6
I'll see.. I used NS-10's every day for more than a decade, but what did I know then. They were the studio standard, and I worked in lots of studios then, so it made sense for me to use what I was used to. I had no real reference to compare to. The only thing I remember about monitoring in big studios from those days was I sure liked those big UREI monitors with the horns, and that wasn't gonna happen in my little NYC apartment.
This may sound weird, and I'm not certain I won't feel differently once I use them a lot, but on the one quick mix with them so far, I didn't feel any real ear fatigue, which is a welcome surprise. Maybe the Adcom amp is helping with that too.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 22, 2017 9:34:38 GMT -6
They were never used in place of full range monitors unless the mains had been "tuned" to death.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 22, 2017 9:44:50 GMT -6
I remember one or two rooms that were so flat the sound was horrible. And people were smiling about how dead it was!
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 22, 2017 13:10:44 GMT -6
That sounds like an "LEDE" control room. I'll never forget trying to keep a straight face in order to be polite the first time I listened in the prototype CR.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 22, 2017 20:54:02 GMT -6
There's a story, (I don't recall who it was exactly, maybe Don Was), about a mixer doing a Rolling Stones album that didn't sound right. He called a previous producer who told him just put everything at zero and leave all the room mics in the mix, and there it was, The Rolling Stones. He basically had to "let it bleed' So far, my mix on the Yammie's sounds pretty good, but I'm misjudging the lead vocal. They're coming out too hot and a little edgy.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 22, 2017 21:37:25 GMT -6
Better too loud than too soft!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 23, 2017 11:39:58 GMT -6
I just switched the Monster Cable RCA's for the Harmonic Technology RCA's, and things are now smoother in general, there's a little more depth, and the mids where the vocals are is clearer, and considerably less gritty. I'm hearing more of the mix now, a less cloudy sound overall.
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