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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 10, 2017 13:12:00 GMT -6
I believe there's an app for that, but it's expensive. Around 4 years ago at AES, there was a guy who developed a way to audition every codec format there was, instantly. You could hear how your track would sound most anywhere. It was $400 though, so I passed. For a pro who needs that function, it would be really cool though. Sonnox Fraunhofer Pro Codec will allow you to audition your mix through different lossy formats like AAC, MP3, etc. SoundCloud streams playback at 128 kbp/s so you should be able too do that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 13:16:25 GMT -6
We do have some golden ears here.. ragan the clips I posted is a WA2A vs. a "vintage" lol! Samplitude stock compressor. I'll wait for your input and then reveal / remove.. Ok gotcha. Your post says: "Don't worry I won't hijack this thread and I'll remove these in a little bit, here's the WA76 and stock compressors in Samplitude.. Nothing but compression (obviously) and a HPF @ 100Hz. Which one do you prefer and which one is the WA2A? I slung it together but there are for me at least differences. Very curious..!" First calling it the WA76 and then you mention guessing which one is the WA-2a so that's why I wasn't sure what was what. Going through my insomnia stage, I'm suprised I didn't call it cat vs. turnip.. It is defo the WA-2A as it's the only thing I have racked at the moment.
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Post by M57 on Aug 10, 2017 13:18:00 GMT -6
..but doesn't SC have it's own proprietary double secret codec for conversion?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 10, 2017 13:37:41 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 14:19:47 GMT -6
I'll reveal it anyway and leave it up for a short while, I'm just trying to find out whether the WA-2A is worth keeping as honestly I have other stuff to buy..
Test B (top one) is the WA-2A and Test A is the "vintage compressor plugin".
The reason I chose that one is because it's far from the best general compressor plugin I own, it's cool for fattening a bass or something that needs a little help but it certainly ain't the best vocal plugin. Speaks volumes to me.!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 15:00:05 GMT -6
I'll reveal it anyway and leave it up for a short while, I'm just trying to find out whether the WA-2A is worth keeping as honestly I have other stuff to buy.. Test B (top one) is the WA-2A and Test A is the "vintage compressor plugin". The reason I chose that one is because it's far from the best general compressor plugin I own, it's cool for fattening a bass or something that needs a little help but it certainly ain't the best vocal plugin. Speaks volumes to me.! I much, much preferred the plug -in. It sat beautifully. Er, how much do you want for the WA2A
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Post by wiz on Aug 10, 2017 15:06:40 GMT -6
re Comp C
I liked A this time as I did before
I had the others still downloaded and listened against them.
So, did you track through the STA at all? if so , how did it feel singing into it compared to the others...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by M57 on Aug 10, 2017 15:52:01 GMT -6
I'll reveal it anyway and leave it up for a short while, I'm just trying to find out whether the WA-2A is worth keeping as honestly I have other stuff to buy.. Test B (top one) is the WA-2A and Test A is the "vintage compressor plugin". The reason I chose that one is because it's far from the best general compressor plugin I own, it's cool for fattening a bass or something that needs a little help but it certainly ain't the best vocal plugin. Speaks volumes to me.! I misread - I thought one was a WA76 and the other was samplitude. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my WA-2A does not sound like that. What else was on that track? For that matter, what was I listening to? Maybe I was listening to the guitar?? Was the 2A on the voice?
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Post by M57 on Aug 10, 2017 15:55:00 GMT -6
Uhmm.. a little of both. For some reason, I seem to remember this conversation before and remember something about how the algorithm SC uses for conversion was proprietary. But who knows ..I might have read it in a dream.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:05:16 GMT -6
I'll reveal it anyway and leave it up for a short while, I'm just trying to find out whether the WA-2A is worth keeping as honestly I have other stuff to buy.. Test B (top one) is the WA-2A and Test A is the "vintage compressor plugin". The reason I chose that one is because it's far from the best general compressor plugin I own, it's cool for fattening a bass or something that needs a little help but it certainly ain't the best vocal plugin. Speaks volumes to me.! I misread - I thought one was a WA76 and the other was samplitude. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my WA-2A does not sound like that. What else was on that track? For that matter, what was I listening to? Maybe I was listening to the guitar?? Was the 2A on the voice? Yeah sorry, I miss typed on the initial post.. I changed the compressors on the vocals, so the first one was the WA-2A and the second one was the Samplitude "vintage compressor".. Not every LA2A I've tried sounds the same but it should be somewhat subtle (I have a stereo pair of WA-2A's but I can't tell the difference TBH), I tried to make it as obvious as possible so I slammed it "for effect" (which you'd tend not to do usually) and of course I'll use a different chain / pre's / mic's to you. It did seem to me the plugs with the same amount of GR compressed things much harder.. Apart from that, there was nothing but a HPF filter (100hz).. I didn't even add a mastering limiter because it messed with the sound, the sound degraded as it went to .MP3 and got further degraded when it got put up on Soundcloud. Double whammy, the originals sound much better.. In future I'll post .WAV's I think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:08:45 GMT -6
I'll reveal it anyway and leave it up for a short while, I'm just trying to find out whether the WA-2A is worth keeping as honestly I have other stuff to buy.. Test B (top one) is the WA-2A and Test A is the "vintage compressor plugin". The reason I chose that one is because it's far from the best general compressor plugin I own, it's cool for fattening a bass or something that needs a little help but it certainly ain't the best vocal plugin. Speaks volumes to me.! I much, much preferred the plug -in. It sat beautifully. Er, how much do you want for the WA2A I'm sure you're just saying that to get a cheap WA2A, if you want it though PM me with an offer..
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Post by Ward on Aug 11, 2017 23:19:32 GMT -6
Just my luck, I'll be the guy preferring the cheap Apex comp over an LA2a, but I don't think so... not in this case. I relly llike C. I like how the vocal sounds controlled but I cant hear the control. I like the body of the sound which no longer distorts and I like the low end much better than A. It sounds 'aligned'. Now the next part that is important is the high end sibilance and the seeming Mass misunderstanding and disconnect with what sibilance actually is. The easily over-loading transient rich percussive consonants like T and S and the like are MUCH smoother and more natural sounding on C than anything I've heard previously on this track as far as treatments are concerned. So . . . why does the guitar sound better ?
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Post by c0rtland on Aug 12, 2017 23:59:18 GMT -6
C all day on these files.
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Post by M57 on Aug 13, 2017 4:00:23 GMT -6
The other day I was comparing preamps with the WA-2A in the chain, and we noticed that the 2A distorted when using the the TRS inputs - switch to XLR and all was well. Not that I noticed any distortion on your WA-2A example..
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 13, 2017 15:22:07 GMT -6
What's the word ? Did you keep the new comps? Get the new ones in yet? Anymore files ? Keep em coming 🤘
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Post by ragan on Aug 16, 2017 23:32:39 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Aug 16, 2017 23:45:42 GMT -6
I just wanna know if you ever tracked through the STA and what you thought of it in that role... as a singer...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Aug 16, 2017 23:50:06 GMT -6
I just wanna know if you ever tracked through the STA and what you thought of it in that role... as a singer... cheers Wiz I did. It was really nice indeed. I wouldn't say it changed my decision since I kinda had my Engineer Hat on for that, but I did like it, from the singer's perspective.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 17, 2017 11:28:41 GMT -6
ragan I still prefer C out of all A-E ... I feel it's the most balanced and the compression is bringing out a certain something in the voice I like. Most balanced throughout the frequency spectrum and I feel you work this into a number of different styles of mixes. D had an interesting dare I say smiley face curve. Good lows and mids very solid but at times seems a little much like one would want a dynamic eq to reign that in at certain parts. Also the top was a little crispy on the sibilance which is weird cuz the good lows and mids at first made me think this take sounded more balanced. E had an interesting glow or air added to the top end that was amazing at first listen. After comparing to the other files I realized it was a tad bit too much and the sibilance became a little zingy..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 12:31:48 GMT -6
I kind of like the way D jumps out at you, but overall, I'm picking C as my choice.
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Post by iamasound on Aug 17, 2017 12:44:44 GMT -6
C is the comp which to my ear let the vocal sit in the mix as it should, a relaxed yet firm anchor which engaged me to listen, nothing poking out seeking undue attention and one which smoothed in rather than accentuated or called attention to the perchance over zealous first few syllables of many of the lines of your delivery.
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Post by ragan on Aug 17, 2017 12:48:10 GMT -6
C is the comp which to my ear let the vocal sit in the mix as it should, a relaxed yet firm anchor which engaged me to listen, nothing poking out seeking undue attention and one which smoothed in rather than accentuated or called attention to the perchance over zealous first few syllables of many of the lines of your delivery. Over-Zealous Delivery is my middle name
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Post by ragan on Aug 17, 2017 12:49:47 GMT -6
One is more up front - two is warmer and more "friendly" Which one you want to use depends on your production goal. There's another pass with 5 comps (A through E) a few posts up, if you're interested.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 13:12:13 GMT -6
I'll have a listen soon ragan.. Chances are I'll prefer the WA-2A just as I've sold it.
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Post by M57 on Aug 17, 2017 13:50:53 GMT -6
C my favorite - retains character and detail across frequencies - transparent. E nice - brings color - softer, warm and could be the best depending on context.
B D and A are in no particular order of preference:
B warm but pinched in the mids or upper mids? D lacking life compared to C and E A can't remember
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