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Post by M57 on Aug 4, 2017 14:55:49 GMT -6
B is just warmer. 'A seems a little thin in the upper mids. I think I'm being fooled a bit because I'm pretty sure B is louder.
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Post by ragan on Aug 4, 2017 15:12:43 GMT -6
B is just warmer. 'A seems a little thin in the upper mids. I think I'm being fooled a bit because I'm pretty sure B is louder. I normalized them both to -22 RMS, but the peaks are quite a bit different. Do you like one or the other better? B warmer in a good or bad way to your ear?
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Post by M57 on Aug 4, 2017 15:14:08 GMT -6
B is warmer in a good way.. It might be a little smeared compared to A, but I prefer it.
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Post by ragan on Aug 4, 2017 15:18:04 GMT -6
B is warmer in a good way.. It might be a little smeared compared to A, but I prefer it. Gotcha. Thanks.
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Post by popmann on Aug 4, 2017 15:53:12 GMT -6
Second round I like A better. B sounds like something sucked the midrange out of it.
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Post by wiz on Aug 4, 2017 16:00:35 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Aug 4, 2017 16:05:47 GMT -6
While I had the same senhesiers on, I thought I'd listen to the original two again --I like B better in the first still, but my preference would be the first in the second round of them all....and the second round's B is my least fave of all--so, I have no idea if you're using the same units a to a or b to b....or what you doing but you're widening the gap of preference between them for me. Best to worst:
2a 1b 1a 2b
Fwiw. You can drive yourself nuts with this stuff. dont. Because this isn't in context, which is the reason for compressors....and it won't be the same for every vocal and context.
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Post by ragan on Aug 4, 2017 16:10:08 GMT -6
While I had the same senhesiers on, I thought I'd listen to the original two again --I like B better in the first still, but my preference would be the first in the second round of them all....and the second round's B is my least fave of all--so, I have no idea if you're using the same units a to a or b to b....or what you doing but you're widening the gap of preference between them for me. Best to worst: 2a 1b 1a 2b Fwiw. You can drive yourself nuts with this stuff. dont. Because this isn't in context, which is the reason for compressors....and it won't be the same for every vocal and context. No you're right. I'm just using them in the usual way I'd use them and seeing which works better for me. Was curious what others thought. Thanks for the feedback, it's appreciated.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 4, 2017 17:43:26 GMT -6
More up in the air with the last 2. A has a faster release than B, which works better for the voice I feel but the acoustic guitar seems to pump a little more. Again, if you like that sound, then that's totally fine. It can be too much for some.
If we're making me choose, and we are, I prefer A.
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Post by ragan on Aug 4, 2017 17:59:05 GMT -6
More up in the air with the last 2. A has a faster release than B, which works better for the voice I feel but the acoustic guitar seems to pump a little more. Again, if you like that sound, then that's totally fine. It can be too much for some. If we're making me choose, and we are, I prefer A. Thanks for the feedback. FYI the guitars are unchanged. The vocal compression is the only variable that switches.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 4, 2017 18:36:03 GMT -6
More up in the air with the last 2. A has a faster release than B, which works better for the voice I feel but the acoustic guitar seems to pump a little more. Again, if you like that sound, then that's totally fine. It can be too much for some. If we're making me choose, and we are, I prefer A. Thanks for the feedback. FYI the guitars are unchanged. The vocal compression is the only variable that switches. Wow! Weird, I was hearing it as 2-bus compression. Still stay with A, sits better with the track whatever the reason.
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Post by ragan on Aug 4, 2017 18:42:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the feedback. FYI the guitars are unchanged. The vocal compression is the only variable that switches. Wow! Weird, I was hearing it as 2-bus compression. Still stay with A, sits better with the track whatever the reason. A good AE buddy of mine swore the guitars were changing as well. Ears/brains are funny that way I suppose. I mighta heard it that way too if I didn't know they weren't. Who knows.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 5, 2017 0:46:07 GMT -6
A has more mids and upper mids like 800-3k and is also a tad sinilnatbat times whereas the highs are crystal clear.. I think this would be great for a busy mix because it sounds more polished and carved in a mix sense.. Now for the context with just vocals and guitar I don't think this is the right compressor FOR THIS CONTEXT.. I choose this for busy dense pop mix..
B has a lot more low mids and lows in the voice but also had some of the mids to high mids relaxed some may say smeared or subdued.. I also feel like B dulled the top a little bit and makes me think more rounded compression or a two stage type of Compression ..I would choose this because i could sculpt the highs and upper mids if I need without fear of causing icepicks for the listener.. I choose B in this singer songwriter context
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Post by Ward on Aug 5, 2017 7:35:00 GMT -6
I like compressor #2 by quite a large margin. The biggest difference I reckon, is not the compression as thats probably adjustable to get them closer together in that sense, but the tonal change.... 2 is open, where 1 is congested in the low mids ...to me anyways cheers Wiz #1 by a country 1.6 kilometer! 2 sounds like a pair of woolen socks over the microphone compared to 1. And yes, more audible compression. 1 sounds more open to me... and P.S. ragan I love the 'warble vibrato' on the end of your phrases.
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Post by ragan on Aug 5, 2017 10:16:40 GMT -6
I like compressor #2 by quite a large margin. The biggest difference I reckon, is not the compression as thats probably adjustable to get them closer together in that sense, but the tonal change.... 2 is open, where 1 is congested in the low mids ...to me anyways cheers Wiz #1 by a country 1.6 kilometer! 2 sounds like a pair of woolen socks over the microphone compared to 1. And yes, more audible compression. 1 sounds more open to me... and P.S. ragan I love the 'warble vibrato' on the end of your phrases. Hey Ward, give a listen to the second set of clips too if you would. The A vs B ones. Thanks!
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Post by iamasound on Aug 5, 2017 17:05:47 GMT -6
Two be the or not to be...yup, 2 and B!
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Post by donr on Aug 6, 2017 16:38:42 GMT -6
Judging on MacBookPro, 2 sounds better on the B version. Sounds finished and good. A sounds like it needs something else on it before it goes out the door.
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2017 19:03:53 GMT -6
Judging on MacBookPro, 2 sounds better on the B version. Sounds finished and good. A sounds like it needs something else on it before it goes out the door. Gotcha. Just to clarify, you mean "B" right? The first samples I labeled 1 and 2 and the second samples are labeled A and B. Thanks.
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Post by donr on Aug 6, 2017 19:12:23 GMT -6
I assume "B" was a different setting of the "2" compressor. Sounded that way to me. "B" was a better setting.
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2017 19:46:03 GMT -6
I assume "B" was a different setting of the "2" compressor. Sounded that way to me. "B" was a better setting. Gotcha. Anyone else wanna guess? I can give answers whenever if people are interested.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 6, 2017 20:03:35 GMT -6
The perception of the guitars can in fact change depending on the sounds around it. The same colors look different depending on the colors around them, and something similar may be happening in this case.
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Post by Ward on Aug 6, 2017 21:11:09 GMT -6
I assume "B" was a different setting of the "2" compressor. Sounded that way to me. "B" was a better setting. Gotcha. Anyone else wanna guess? I can give answers whenever if people are interested. When threads turn into guessing games, the average AE tends to lose interest and stop listening to nuances and the things that appeal to himself but instead listen for what she thinks the majority are hearing at the risk of being the 'odd man out'.
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Post by ragan on Aug 6, 2017 21:42:16 GMT -6
Gotcha. Anyone else wanna guess? I can give answers whenever if people are interested. When threads turn into guessing games, the average AE tends to lose interest and stop listening to nuances and the things that appeal to himself but instead listen for what she thinks the majority are hearing at the risk of being the 'odd man out'. Fair enough. No games from my end, just genuinely interested in your guys' opinions.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 7, 2017 12:04:33 GMT -6
Come on with it
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Post by ragan on Aug 7, 2017 12:23:46 GMT -6
I thought you were gonna listen on the monitors. I wanted your opinion too. But I can just post the answers if not.
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