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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 23:52:17 GMT -6
Have any of you righteous dudes here tried swapping out the stock Tung Sol tubes in a Warm EQP-WA with Mullards or some other better quality tubes?
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Post by Ward on Jul 27, 2017 5:55:25 GMT -6
Not yet, but planning on trying some tube swaps after I get my pair of KT-EQPs. And I'll be trying to tube swaps with both pairs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 27, 2017 17:40:37 GMT -6
Talk to Bowie !!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 19:24:39 GMT -6
Brilliant idea. At the point at which I decide it's time to try a swap, he's absolutely the guy to ask what would work best.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 28, 2017 21:12:38 GMT -6
Why? Tung sol is solid
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Post by EmRR on Jul 29, 2017 7:07:40 GMT -6
Take a handful of what you got and swap. Leave the best to your ears in place. Usually some crud covered thing you got out of a console stereo in the back of the Goodwill store.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 11:35:49 GMT -6
Honestly, I know very little about Tung Sol tubes other than they're not the tubes people talk about when they talk about the most desirable tubes. I really like the way the EQP-WA sounds in my rig but since they're the stock tubes, I often can't help but wonder if there's more creaminess to squeeze out of the unit with an investment in some Tele's. With all the talk about Pultec-style EQ's surrounding the KT unit, it's just been more on the top of my mind lately.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 29, 2017 11:46:23 GMT -6
Honestly, I know very little about Tung Sol tubes other than they're not the tubes people talk about when they talk about the most desirable tubes. I really like the way the EQP-WA sounds in my rig but since they're the stock tubes, I often can't help but wonder if there's more creaminess to squeeze out of the unit with an investment in some Tele's. With all the talk about Pultec-style EQ's surrounding the KT unit, it's just been more on the top of my mind lately. Ah yes, the dreaded what if... I like the Tung sol tubes, I bought nos for my jcm800.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 11:46:25 GMT -6
Take a handful of what you got and swap. Leave the best to your ears in place. Usually some crud covered thing you got out of a console stereo in the back of the Goodwill store. It could be yet another undesirable byproduct of living in the L.A. area, (a.k.a. "Planet Siliconia: land of 1,000,000 hipster douchebags", but I never, ever find those hidden, lost gem audio pieces in a second-hand store, pawn shop or swap meet without someone either knowing or over-estimating the value, if I can even find them at all. I remember earlier this year, on trash day, someone left this cool, crazy-looking vintage electronic control panel thing that looked it was from an industrial plant or 1940's radio station by the side of the road. Drove by it when I was taking my son to school and decided I would go grab it on my way home. 10 min later, it was gone by the time I got back.
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Post by EmRR on Jul 29, 2017 12:01:44 GMT -6
It has unfortunately gotten that way. At least you are keeping your eyes open, stuff shows up in the weirdest places.
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Post by ericn on Jul 29, 2017 16:13:46 GMT -6
Take a handful of what you got and swap. Leave the best to your ears in place. Usually some crud covered thing you got out of a console stereo in the back of the Goodwill store. It could be yet another undesirable byproduct of living in the L.A. area, (a.k.a. "Planet Siliconia: land of 1,000,000 hipster douchebags", but I never, ever find those hidden, lost gem audio pieces in a second-hand store, pawn shop or swap meet without someone either knowing or over-estimating the value, if I can even find them at all. I remember earlier this year, on trash day, someone left this cool, crazy-looking vintage electronic control panel thing that looked it was from an industrial plant or 1940's radio station by the side of the road. Drove by it when I was taking my son to school and decided I would go grab it on my way home. 10 min later, it was gone by the time I got back. [ These days that exists everywhere, you have to invest time and realize often it's grab it or loose it. This why if I'm cash strapped and the deal is good , layaway is my best freind ! In fact I have more than once put something on layaway and sold it before I payed anything beyond the down payment 😎!
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Post by ericn on Jul 29, 2017 16:14:43 GMT -6
Back to subject Somebody needs to loan Bowie their EQ!
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Post by mulmany on Jul 29, 2017 19:53:22 GMT -6
Didn't bowie say he had one of these? Have to go look.
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Post by sozocaps on Jul 30, 2017 11:53:23 GMT -6
I ... personally do not like the TungSol 12AX7's ever... Flat, dull, lifeless. I had one blow in my WA-2A and put Chinese 12AX7's in and positively like the unit much better now. I am usually not a fan of the Chinese tubes besides they are quiet and do have gain when I need gain.
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Post by bowie on Jul 30, 2017 20:51:42 GMT -6
Didn't bowie say he had one of these? Have to go look. Actually, I don't own a Warm, but I've used a lot of different Pultec-style EQs and have a P2P EQP1a I built myself. So far, of the couple dozen customers I've sold tubes to for their Warm Pultecs, there hasn't been a general consensus about how people feel about the stock sound of that EQ. Some ask for tubes that'll give a richer/warmer/smoother vibe. Others feel that it's a little dull and want to open up the top end. While others still don't have a specific complaint, they just want to enhance the overall sound. The thing about the Russian Tung Sols is that they are nice in the mids (for a modern tube) but don't a lot going on in the top end. And, like most modern tubes, the bass is somewhat smeared and lacks extension. In some gear, that's not a big deal and the TSs sound better than most of the other inexpensive, modern offerings. However, in something like a EQP where you're usually bringing out the bass and/or highs, some people feel a bit limited. My experience with Pultecs, and most EQs in general, is that people tend to be most satisfied with a fairly well-balanced tube. Tubes that boost or attenuate the top end often get less favorable feedback in those applications (though it entirely depends on the person, the gear, the style of music, etc). I think the best place to start is to figure out what you want to change (things you wish it did, things you wish it didn't do). Sometimes, it takes a bit of hands-on time before you notice certain patterns in your mixing, frustrations, etc to decide what you like or don't like about a piece of gear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 12:13:26 GMT -6
Didn't bowie say he had one of these? Have to go look. Actually, I don't own a Warm, but I've used a lot of different Pultec-style EQs and have a P2P EQP1a I built myself. So far, of the couple dozen customers I've sold tubes to for their Warm Pultecs, there hasn't been a general consensus about how people feel about the stock sound of that EQ. Some ask for tubes that'll give a richer/warmer/smoother vibe. Others feel that it's a little dull and want to open up the top end. While others still don't have a specific complaint, they just want to enhance the overall sound. The thing about the Russian Tung Sols is that they are nice in the mids (for a modern tube) but don't a lot going on in the top end. And, like most modern tubes, the bass is somewhat smeared and lacks extension. In some gear, that's not a big deal and the TSs sound better than most of the other inexpensive, modern offerings. However, in something like a EQP where you're usually bringing out the bass and/or highs, some people feel a bit limited. My experience with Pultecs, and most EQs in general, is that people tend to be most satisfied with a fairly well-balanced tube. Tubes that boost or attenuate the top end often get less favorable feedback in those applications (though it entirely depends on the person, the gear, the style of music, etc). I think the best place to start is to figure out what you want to change (things you wish it did, things you wish it didn't do). Sometimes, it takes a bit of hands-on time before you notice certain patterns in your mixing, frustrations, etc to decide what you like or don't like about a piece of gear. Dude, first of all thank you, esteemed Sir for lending your input. I think it's the smearing in the lows you mentioned that I'd like to remedy. If it helps to get what I'm looking for, I only do VO full-time and I'm using the EQP-WA every day as part of my chain. I bought it to add a nice low-mid hug and some ballsy low-end for more authority in my tone. Having the added air is nice, but not my primary concern. I don't do mixes and I don't do music. What I think I need in a tube here is definition, warmth, punch, and low noise. What I know about tubes could fill a thimble so the idea of a well-balanced tube sounds like an improvement already.
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Post by bowie on Jul 31, 2017 13:30:52 GMT -6
Actually, I don't own a Warm, but I've used a lot of different Pultec-style EQs and have a P2P EQP1a I built myself. So far, of the couple dozen customers I've sold tubes to for their Warm Pultecs, there hasn't been a general consensus about how people feel about the stock sound of that EQ. Some ask for tubes that'll give a richer/warmer/smoother vibe. Others feel that it's a little dull and want to open up the top end. While others still don't have a specific complaint, they just want to enhance the overall sound. The thing about the Russian Tung Sols is that they are nice in the mids (for a modern tube) but don't a lot going on in the top end. And, like most modern tubes, the bass is somewhat smeared and lacks extension. In some gear, that's not a big deal and the TSs sound better than most of the other inexpensive, modern offerings. However, in something like a EQP where you're usually bringing out the bass and/or highs, some people feel a bit limited. My experience with Pultecs, and most EQs in general, is that people tend to be most satisfied with a fairly well-balanced tube. Tubes that boost or attenuate the top end often get less favorable feedback in those applications (though it entirely depends on the person, the gear, the style of music, etc). I think the best place to start is to figure out what you want to change (things you wish it did, things you wish it didn't do). Sometimes, it takes a bit of hands-on time before you notice certain patterns in your mixing, frustrations, etc to decide what you like or don't like about a piece of gear. Dude, first of all thank you, esteemed Sir for lending your input. I think it's the smearing in the lows you mentioned that I'd like to remedy. If it helps to get what I'm looking for, I only do VO full-time and I'm using the EQP-WA every day as part of my chain. I bought it to add a nice low-mid hug and some ballsy low-end for more authority in my tone. Having the added air is nice, but not my primary concern. I don't do mixes and I don't do music. What I think I need in a tube here is definition, warmth, punch, and low noise. What I know about tubes could fill a thimble so the idea of a well-balanced tube sounds like an improvement already. I'm not an advertiser here (but if my income ever allows it, THIS will be the first place I advertise on! ) so I don't want to spam the forum with info on products I sell. However, I'll try to give some general info to help you out. VO is very interesting when it comes to tubes as the midrange becomes a field in which little peaks and valleys in the spectrum can make or break the presentation, depending on the voice. A lot of the 1960/early 70s production tubes do a great job and blending clarity and smoothness. Sylvania, RCA, orig Tung Sol, Amperex, and to an extent, orig Mullard and Telefunken all had production periods in which they had good balance along with their own unique "tubey" characteristics that people love. I wish it was as simple as that but there are factors like condition, variations in production, etc that comes into play. You can PM or email (ProAudioTubes@aol.com) if you ever want to go into a more in-depth dialogue about which ones might be ideal for you. One more note; in the Pultec circuit, the 12AX7 has far more influence on tone and noise floor than the 12AU7. I do feel that a quality 12AU7 is a good idea but I usually discourage people from spending a ton on an exotic 12AU7 in this circuit as many of the more modest NOS brands do a comparable job (in this position) for far less money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 14:09:53 GMT -6
Thanks Bowie. I will mos def holla your way.
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 6, 2017 7:13:16 GMT -6
Bowie has never steered me wrong !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 10:26:10 GMT -6
True 'dat. Bowie has sent me some really detailed information on tube options based upon my specific needs and it's kinda blowing my mind. So many new tonal options available that I'm having a hard time trying to pick which new sound I want. That dude is a way wicked mad genius.
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