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Post by rowmat on Jul 9, 2017 17:07:34 GMT -6
Is anyone here successfully using a Presonus Faderport 8 with Reaper on a Mac? Just curious.
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Post by schmalzy on Jul 10, 2017 19:39:37 GMT -6
Me, too! I'm looking at adding a control surface of some sort. I can't decide if it's going to be Faderport or Console 1.
I can't decide if I'd benefit more from touch control of faders and balances or if a channel strip for every channel is better...
Both?
Yep...except I don't have room at my desk AND I'm cheap!
The winner of the "Reaper Compatibility Test" will get my dollars, basically!
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Post by notneeson on Jul 10, 2017 20:07:56 GMT -6
I think it's hard to say. I have had an original faderport for many years on my personal rig and I don't reach for the fader at all anymore. Nor do I really use the faders on the C|24 I frequent. As to why, it's just a matter of habit I guess— with the faderport in particular having to scroll through the banks/channels is just a workflow killer. It's easier (and this is very personal, I think) for me to just move the cursor.
Anyway, I have a friend who was all about his HUI back when we were studio partners. I get that it's great for some folks.
TLDR: I bought a controller and then ended up not using it much at all.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 10, 2017 21:03:24 GMT -6
I'm probably more interested using it for writing volume automation rather than mixing as such. I thought the original single Faderport might kill my USB 3.0 bus speed as it is USB 1.1 but apparently that was more of an issue with older USB hubs and I've been told it shouldn't be a problem with my newly acquired USB 3.0 hub.
I was really only considering the Faderport 8 because of that. A friend has a Mackie MCU Pro which I quite like the look of better than the Faderport 8 as it has individual rotary pan controllers on each channel amongst other things but unfortunately won't currently work in Reaper on a Mac.
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Post by popmann on Jul 10, 2017 21:19:07 GMT -6
Then I have a hard time believing that the FP, which simply uses the MCU protocol will work.
Controllers aren't like audio interfaces. They have specific implementation in each app---so, in Logic the same MCU doesn't function the same way as Cubase.....which in turn, functions a third way in ProTools....which is why the tight ones are app specific proprietary. The FP8 actually has Studio One specific function buttons. I wouldn't buy it for any other DAW myself--the support in the rest will simply be "emulate MCU"---only it doesn't have all the buttons nor the layout of the MCU--so, whatever that app's programmers thought up for implementation won't even fully be there.
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Post by popmann on Jul 10, 2017 21:21:22 GMT -6
My old USB devices down shift the USB3 hub down here, fwiw.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 10, 2017 21:25:44 GMT -6
My old USB devices down shift the USB3 hub down here, fwiw. Do you mean it slows down the data transfer rate of other connected USB 3.0 or USB 2.0 connected devices to effectively USB 1.1 speeds?
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Post by rowmat on Jul 10, 2017 21:30:57 GMT -6
Then I have a hard time believing that the FP, which simply uses the MCU protocol will work. Controllers aren't like audio interfaces. They have specific implementation in each app---so, in Logic the same MCU doesn't function the same way as Cubase.....which in turn, functions a third way in ProTools....which is why the tight ones are app specific proprietary. The FP8 actually has Studio One specific function buttons. I wouldn't buy it for any other DAW myself--the support in the rest will simply be "emulate MCU"---only it doesn't have all the buttons nor the layout of the MCU--so, whatever that app's programmers thought up for implementation won't even fully be there. Although Reaper has a Mackie MCU protocol option in its preferences, as you say, there are still many variables that cause problems. Some one has worked out a fix for using the Mackie MCU in Reaper which allows mapping of most, it not all, of the functions but only for Windows at this point in time.
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Post by rowmat on Jul 10, 2017 21:47:42 GMT -6
Just did some more research on the original Faderport. Seems to be issues on later Macs both with hardware and OSX. Think I'll forget it for now.
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Post by rocinante on Jul 10, 2017 23:11:25 GMT -6
I can happily say i use a icon platform m and its worked really well in pt and studio one. Sometimes when im touching up a mix's stereo track it'll be a little glitchy with one fader kinda sitting there wiggling and hogging up processing but once i move the fader all is good. Other than that it works great. I usually only use the platform m and keep the consoles faders zeroed but i sometimes also get into the mix and end up finishing it using the consoles faders as well.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 11, 2017 0:21:49 GMT -6
I have the fp8 and it runs 3 protocols.
I am running a MBP 2012 and logic and studio one. I have pro tools but don't use it any more.
While the fp8 is more deeply integrated in SO it works great in logic.
The fader automation works flawlessly for me and the GUI shows increment of .1 db. I don't know if it is actually this sensitive but the touch sensitivity seems quite fine and the automation feels smooth and reasonably quiet.
It has many features and I like the ease of transport control and jumping round session with markers, individual or scroll with rotary anywhere:).
The rotary can be a 9th volume control and jumping around banks is easy as the gui's light up to keep you oriented and chase channel names and numbers. In SO fp8 and daw chase each other so it's hard to get lost, works well in logic too.
I tested the plug in programming with ua plugs worked flawlessly.
I'd take with grain of salt reported issues if they occurred befor driver upgrade.
The fp8 can be used simply but if you like deep everything is multi function with shift key and there are some user programmable keys as well.
Bottom line it's very well done and a lot of bang for buck and doesn't feel cheap and looks good not like a toy.
I also have softube 1 and like this so much I have pretty well stopped using my ua plugs and have the 3 softube channels strips it comes with 1 but the others cost you. I like everything about console 1 but there are no faders nor transport control.
so fp8 and C1 certainly compliment each other and I have had no problems with them cohabiting.
If volume auto is the main itch, fp8 would be a good scratch, plus give you many other features, For your needs, I'd try the fp8 and when you have xtra dough consider the C1 but factor in the 2 other channel strips for your pricing.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 11, 2017 13:48:16 GMT -6
I just got Faderport (not 8) and Cubase Pro 9 this week, and my productivity is through the roof! I can't believe the difference in speed. I've written 5 songs in 4 days.
That said, Faderport 8 and Console 1 looks like a next-level total solution. I'm certainly intrigued.
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Post by clonewar on Jul 11, 2017 14:19:06 GMT -6
That said, Faderport 8 and Console 1 looks like a next-level total solution. I'm certainly intrigued. IMO they're really only next level in Studio One, where Console 1 will automatically follow the selected channel. In Cubase you'll have to manually select the channel on Console 1 using the little row of 20 track buttons and the page up/down buttons. It's a workflow killer to me, but hopefully Steinberg will do whatever they have to do to integrate C1 deeper at some point. I bought an FP8 a month or two ago and used it for about a week before returning it. I mainly wanted to use it with Studio One and a Console 1, but wasn't happy with the FP8. They had changed the display on the scribble strips so that the track name was written in an extremely tiny font. I don't have great eyesight and literally couldn't read the track names from a normal seated position, I'd have to lean over the FP8 to read them. Meanwhile, the pan information takes up litterally 75% of the screen (I measured). Great, I can't read the track name, but at least I know if it's LCR. Another thing that bugged me was that in all of the photos it shows the Select buttons reflecting the track colors in Studio One, with the currently selected track being brighter. Track coloring is important to me and I thought that was a big feature. It turns out that only the selected track's colored button was visible with any ambient light on in the studio. It had to be very dark to actually see the non-selected track colors, which is a no go for me.
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Post by wiz on Jul 11, 2017 15:42:04 GMT -6
I was just watching some videos yesterday on this stuff, as I was thinking of getting one again, I have owned the fader port 1, and the Alphatrack in the past.
Real estate is one of my main problems at the moment. I really don't want it in front of me all the time.. only for rides at the end of the mix process.
The ICON stuff looked nice, and they make a little one that has 9 faders, pots and a jog wheel. The later model (all black) looks great, with two scribble strips and a meter bridge, but will be too large for me.
Behringer is apparently releasing a 8 fader and knob version of their X touch range, as an expander to the current series though it works standalone...
I run logic and tried briefly yesterday using the iPad and LOGIC REMOTE to write the automation, it just might do the trick... so I am going to experiment with that for a bit.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by M57 on Jul 11, 2017 16:31:14 GMT -6
I run logic and tried briefly yesterday using the iPad and LOGIC REMOTE to write the automation, it just might do the trick... so I am going to experiment with that for a bit. Wiz, if the remote functions on the iPad worked almost well enough for you with Logic, the Behringer X-Touch will make you smile.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 11, 2017 16:49:02 GMT -6
Its true that the fp8 experience is not identical in Logic and SO, I angled my FP8 up a little to have sight into the channel screens.
Maybe I am remembering incorrectly but I recall when I hit the select button that my daw screen jumped to that channel , so once I knew this was true, then I just used the fp8 controls and banks with greater confidence.
The fp8 comes with a long usb cable so it is easily moved or just hook it for mixing if that is your preference ?
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Post by wiz on Jul 19, 2017 23:12:25 GMT -6
I was just watching some videos yesterday on this stuff, as I was thinking of getting one again, I have owned the fader port 1, and the Alphatrack in the past. Real estate is one of my main problems at the moment. I really don't want it in front of me all the time.. only for rides at the end of the mix process. The ICON stuff looked nice, and they make a little one that has 9 faders, pots and a jog wheel. The later model (all black) looks great, with two scribble strips and a meter bridge, but will be too large for me. Behringer is apparently releasing a 8 fader and knob version of their X touch range, as an expander to the current series though it works standalone... I run logic and tried briefly yesterday using the iPad and LOGIC REMOTE to write the automation, it just might do the trick... so I am going to experiment with that for a bit. cheers Wiz The last few days I have been using the Logic Remote. It's worked out great. I'm able to automate at least two faders at a time. i don't think at this stage there would be any benefit to purchasing a hardware control surface. cheers Wiz
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Post by popmann on Jul 20, 2017 9:12:18 GMT -6
I promise there is. Close your eyes and adjust the iPad's fader or knob. Right--that's the difference.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 20, 2017 9:59:51 GMT -6
I promise there is. Close your eyes and adjust the iPad's fader or knob. Right--that's the difference. I agree. I was skeptical for a long time but I am recently a believer in hardware control. Faderport is a really cheap entry point if you want to see how it feels for you. I'm sure I'll eventually move up to something bigger.
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Post by popmann on Jul 20, 2017 12:53:23 GMT -6
And don't get me wrong--I believe multitouch screens are super intuitive and SHOULD be the future of DAWs.....honestly not sure why it's not standard NOW.....so there's nothing wrong with that technology, but it's just not a replacement for a physical encoder of some sort. Surface Knob anyone? Cutting edge multitouch computer.....pen and knob as the alternate to fingers.
I couldn't suss out why I would do such inferior mixes in software....consistently over years....until I realized I mix with my eyes closed a lot--but can't with software. And honestly--Cubase actually DOES have a way you can lock on a fader and go into granular mode with the mouse that CAN sorta do that--I had to fashion that and the Griffin knob as "AI focus knob" when I had mixing gigs to do while the MCUs were in the shop....but, you're still open/close/open/close....and it's a workaround based on the principle.
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Post by wiz on Jul 20, 2017 15:26:57 GMT -6
I promise there is. Close your eyes and adjust the iPad's fader or knob. Right--that's the difference. Of course, I meant for ME at this TIME 8) cheers Wiz
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