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Post by M57 on Jul 21, 2017 10:50:00 GMT -6
Yeah I am biased I'll admit to it, but you have to understand also whena manufacturer is spending his advertising $ he thinks he's the customer! As far as where one advertises this is one screwed up Buisness! Positive reviews are bought and payed for, threads are locked at certain sites, yes manufacturers have thinner skin than politicians most know it but as one distributor told me a month ago, " with smaller ad budgets my small wallet screams !" I like this place, I want to see it grow and John not have to support it out of his wallet. Fair enough. So if Roswell is the customer, I'm sure they want/expect people to click on their promotional ads for their investment. If the users of the site are a bit suspect about their marketing tactics, do you think they'd want to know so they can better market their wares on this site in the future? ..or would it be better to suppress that information, and maybe even the people who point these things out? I click on the advertisements on this site. Partly to support it, but mostly because I actually want to, and I'd like to be able to continue to do that with confidence. For the record - I would love a Roswell mic. I am not upset at all. As I originally mentioned, I suspected at the outset that the promotion was available to all - and I still signed up.
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2017 11:32:33 GMT -6
Yeah I am biased I'll admit to it, but you have to understand also whena manufacturer is spending his advertising $ he thinks he's the customer! As far as where one advertises this is one screwed up Buisness! Positive reviews are bought and payed for, threads are locked at certain sites, yes manufacturers have thinner skin than politicians most know it but as one distributor told me a month ago, " with smaller ad budgets my small wallet screams !" I like this place, I want to see it grow and John not have to support it out of his wallet. Fair enough. So if Roswell is the customer, I'm sure they want/expect people to click on their promotional ads for their investment. If the users of the site are a bit suspect about their marketing tactics, do you think they'd want to know so they can better market their wares on this site in the future? ..or would it be better to suppress that information, and maybe even the people who point these things out? I click on the advertisements on this site. Partly to support it, but mostly because I actually want to, and I'd like to be able to continue to do that with confidence. For the record - I would love a Roswell mic. I am not upset at all. As I originally mentioned, I suspected at the outset that the promotion was available to all - and I still signed up. Probably but things like this often work best in private, in a totally non Audio matter I had a problem with a product, went to the vendor in private pointed out that they were currently in violation of at least 3 federal laws, I got an apology my original purchase was suddenly comp'ed And policy changed on a couple of Forums guy were complaining got boiler plate Blah, Blah, and no compensation! Sometimes public is the place to bring something up, but private allows them to save face and act differently, public action is also often marketing guy BS vs somebody who will do something!
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Post by johneppstein on Jul 21, 2017 13:00:25 GMT -6
Just to be clear, I think it's great whenever a manufacturer does a gear giveaway, especially when it's high quality stuff. I just thought that the way it was presented could have been a bit more clear, as it was it was a little disappointing.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 23, 2017 23:20:28 GMT -6
We shot out a Delphos against a Bock 251 just for shits and giggles...surprisingly the Delphos held up pretty well, but I could easily get great tracks with the Delphos. We used a Neve 1073 into a Tube Tech CL1B. The Delphos seemed to have more open mids, and kind of harsh compared to the Bock, however the Delphos still sounded great, and definitely worth the money for the way it sounds. Bock was softer and smoother. I really dug the Delphos, and would give it a try if I was in the market for an LDC mic. I really wanted to hear it on acoustic, but it just didn't happen, we were tracking vocals and time was tight.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 24, 2017 16:38:50 GMT -6
I have heard $200 blue mics sound great thru interface preamps...
A $7000 chain sounds " useable " .. that's very slutty to opine...
A handmade mic going thru a 1073 and CL1B is way more than what most have access too.. , that's one helluva chain alone ( 1073+CL1B ) what's that $6k easy maybe $7k with the mic? It bet it produces takes that are a lot more than usable.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jul 26, 2017 10:54:24 GMT -6
I have heard $200 blue mics sound great thru interface preamps... A $7000 chain sounds " useable " .. that's very slutty to opine... A handmade mic going thru a 1073 and CL1B is way more than what most have access too.. , that's one helluva chain alone ( 1073+CL1B ) what's that $6k easy maybe $7k with the mic? It bet it produces takes that are a lot more than usable. I was excited to have that opportunity to hear the Delphos. It was something on my hitlist, and to hear it in context through one of my favorite chains on vocals was very cool.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 26, 2017 18:08:44 GMT -6
I have heard $200 blue mics sound great thru interface preamps... A $7000 chain sounds " useable " .. that's very slutty to opine... A handmade mic going thru a 1073 and CL1B is way more than what most have access too.. , that's one helluva chain alone ( 1073+CL1B ) what's that $6k easy maybe $7k with the mic? It bet it produces takes that are a lot more than usable. I was excited to have that opportunity to hear the Delphos. It was something on my hitlist, and to hear it in context through one of my favorite chains on vocals was very cool. No I understand what you are saying and I understand why you tested the Roswell mic like that because that's how you would you use the mic so the context is spot on. Of course testing the Roswell against the current mic you use for this duty and the same chain is also very important for making a decision like this .. I also know that a $200 blue on Vox will sound useable 🤠 thru that CL1B and 1073 chain. I guess the word useable through me off a bit because I read your comment in the wrong context! That's def A Real Gear Chain 🤘
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Post by donr on Jul 26, 2017 22:22:08 GMT -6
I'm ok with losing the Roswell mic drawing, and the pool of entries. Que lastima.
I do wonder how many lurkers are here at RGO. The posters you could fit in some Studio A's. Not complaining. It's why I'm here.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 26, 2017 23:27:56 GMT -6
I'm friends with the guy who builds these, he actually took my profile pic. Anyway, he's brought the Roswell stuff on a few sessions and it always sounds great.
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Post by hadaja on Jul 27, 2017 0:20:22 GMT -6
Although not the point but you can always unsubscribe at any time.
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Post by Ward on Jul 27, 2017 5:25:14 GMT -6
Although not the point but you can always unsubscribe at any time. That would seem petty, to me.
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Post by jakeharris on Jul 27, 2017 6:02:15 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 27, 2017 23:21:37 GMT -6
I unsubscribed, I get too many " what's new with us today/ check this out / this popular grammy winner user or ____ " emails that take away important time from my day.. I can keep up with roswell mics by checking their threads and website, plus new product reviews!
I have unsubscribed to almost all of these email blasts and still get them.. very frustrating...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 27, 2017 23:22:58 GMT -6
I'm confused ? Doesn't cathedral sell all types of gear?
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Post by jakeharris on Jul 28, 2017 5:01:56 GMT -6
Only posted link for pictures of Delphos guts:
This should be selling for maximum $300, not $900.
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Post by Ward on Jul 28, 2017 5:15:01 GMT -6
Only posted link for pictures of Delphos guts: This should be selling for maximum $300, not $900. I got your point. I guess one of us should have "liked" your post or replied sooner. I'm certain many got the point!! 这似乎是中国制造的另一个电子产品。 适合和完成不是我们从Shannon或Soyuz或Upton或Bees-Knees所期待的
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Post by jakeharris on Jul 28, 2017 14:51:52 GMT -6
You saw it was a response to ChaseUTB, no? Clarifying the wtf was exclusively aimed at Roswell, not Cathedral
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 18, 2017 15:23:31 GMT -6
I just got the Delphos for a few days. It's the best under $1,200 mic I've heard. I've heard a lot, but not the Stam 87 or Warm 87 yet. The Soyuz 0-19 had more harmonic detail, and the Max Mod U67 had a bigger sound, but the Delios had none of the dreaded Chinese capsule tone, no extra sibilance, no slant toward highs. It's Neumanesque, but doesn't have a clone sound that falls short. It's the first non- very high end mic I've tried that didn't have a fatal flaw. I honestly could make an album with it and not be pissed everytime I used it. If you don't put a monster mic next to it, you don't feel you're missing anything.
I think in a rock lead vocal context it would be killer.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 18, 2017 21:01:25 GMT -6
Only posted link for pictures of Delphos guts: This should be selling for maximum $300, not $900. And you can tell that from a picture......AMAZING!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 18, 2017 21:42:24 GMT -6
Perhaps there are many mics made with similar parts that are cheaper, I wouldn't know. But I'll tell you this, whatever major or minor things they did to put the Delphos together, it worked much better than any of the fancy looking less expensive brands I've tried.
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Post by johneppstein on Aug 18, 2017 22:45:05 GMT -6
Perhaps there are many mics made with similar parts that are cheaper, I wouldn't know. But I'll tell you this, whatever major or minor things they did to put the Delphos together, it worked much better than any of the fancy looking less expensive brands I've tried. Quality control is invisible to the camera unless it's extremely bad or really, really exceptionally good. You can't tell the difference between a mass produced capsule that has passed really stringent QC testing and one that's been rejected and thrown in ther dustbin by looking at it unless the reject is exceptionally bad - like a torn or visibly wrinkled diaphragm or one with visibly bad sputtering. Note to Martin: This is in support of your post which, like mine, was in response to a rather foolish post by another person.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 20, 2017 19:19:37 GMT -6
I gotta say Martin John Butler I thought the clips you sent me sounded ok. This isn't to knock the guys at Roswell either. I've spoken to Matt and he's a nice guy. I used a Studio Projects C3 with his mod in it for a few years, so I know their stuff works. It just didn't have the presence of the Soyuz SU-019 or the warmth and size of the MK U67. It wasn't bad, but it was boring. For me it would be fine as a workhorse, but in that price range there are other options that may be better.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 20, 2017 20:17:12 GMT -6
Hi Vincent, I agree, the Roswell wasn't as rich harmonically as the Soyuz, or as big and present as the MK U67, no doubt. It's great to have had them to compare to though. It make sense, those mics cost between $2,000 and I think $2,600.
What I liked about the Roswell was that when I first plugged it in I immediately liked the sound because there was no shrillness and edge, like so many "classic" style mics claim, but don't deliver. I felt it would be a great rock singer's mic because of the natural compression sound. I'd have to hear the Stam and Warm 87 style mics to make a final verdict which under $1,200 mic would suit me best.
I'm really looking forward to the Stam 47. That may just end this "best under" question for good ;-) If the Stam SA73 I have is any indication, Joshua will get it right.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 20, 2017 20:21:28 GMT -6
I just got the Delphos for a few days. It's the best under $1,200 mic I've heard. I've heard a lot, but not the Stam 87 or Warm 87 yet. The Soyuz 0-19 had more harmonic detail, and the Max Mod U67 had a bigger sound, but the Delios had none of the dreaded Chinese capsule tone, no extra sibilance, no slant toward highs. It's Neumanesque, but doesn't have a clone sound that falls short. It's the first non- very high end mic I've tried that didn't have a fatal flaw. I honestly could make an album with it and not be pissed everytime I used it. If you don't put a monster mic next to it, you don't feel you're missing anything. I think in a rock lead vocal context it would be killer. Wonder if it would be good for harsh sounding female singers?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 20, 2017 20:24:55 GMT -6
Hmm.. I'll ask Janet to sing a few lines if I can, just to see. It took a hard hit really well, didn't completely crumble, although it felt the strain a little. Mics are strangely female compatible or not IME.
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