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Post by deckerator on Jul 2, 2017 21:01:39 GMT -6
hey dudes, john kennedy is a good bud of mine an graciously invited me over to his site! If there is anything i can help anyone with please ask....it would be my pleasure👊🤘😎
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 2, 2017 21:37:08 GMT -6
Welcome Aboard the RGO train 😎🤘
I Saw your interview with The producers Room on YouTube and it was very informative and a good watch. Most vids that style get kinda boring. Cool that you enjoy ITB mixing, I do as well.
When you say you mix hot are you talking about clipping and pulling faders down? Or do you like your mixes close to -0dbfs?
Are you Still using L2 on individual channels and stems or only 2bus?
You also said it takes you around 2 hours to do a mix, and you work fast. Is this two hour mix a completed full mix that the client approves, that is reference checked and then sent off?
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Post by ericn on Jul 2, 2017 21:40:19 GMT -6
hey dudes, john kennedy is a good bud of mine an graciously invited me over to his site! If there is anything i can help anyone with please ask....it would be my pleasure👊🤘😎 Welcome to the party ! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 2, 2017 22:57:36 GMT -6
Hey guys - Meet Billy! He's mixed 12 No.1's in country in the last few years. Hot as fire. All ITB - so I think he brings a really cool perspective! He's killing it right now and is really turning out fantastic stuff...beating A LOT of the biggest kids on the playground. Check out www.billydecker.com for more info on his hits. Also - he's one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Fine Cornhusker stock. Please ask Billy some questions! |
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Post by wiz on Jul 3, 2017 0:15:00 GMT -6
Welcome...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by ragan on Jul 3, 2017 0:58:02 GMT -6
Excellent. Thanks for doing this.
Billy, what's your sort of 'general' approach to drums? Just as far as what kinds of processing on each track as well as what structure of bussing you use.
Do you do a lot of parallel stuff? Are all the individual tracks going to the same drum bus or are you routing some tracks to some auxes and others to other auxes?
Hope that makes sense. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2017 1:39:17 GMT -6
I have a question: Bass...what and how do you make bass thump. Do you want bass to thump or is it more about covering the bottom/sub of the mix? How do you make the bass and the kick thump?
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Post by donr on Jul 3, 2017 7:49:56 GMT -6
Hi Billy. Ditto on the Producer's Room video, great! You give hope to guys who are primarily ITB.
Like ChaseUTB, I notice your channel faders are lighting red quite a bit, where do you wind up level-wise on the 2mix? I suspect your sub groups are about as loud as you want them before the 2mix. Do you do any 2mix processing?
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Post by swurveman on Jul 3, 2017 9:00:57 GMT -6
Hi Billy,
I watched your itb mix with Dave Tough. Thanks for that!! I bought Dave's hardware GML 8200 from him. He told me he was selling it because he was mixing more in the box. No wonder!
Some questions. You asked for it: LOL!
1: In the video there were three kicks whose .wav files were named differently. So, I assume you got three seperate kick tracks from the recording engineer, which makes me think the recording engineer had a sound in mind. How do you blend that sound with the samples? Do you leave the recorded tracks-outputted to the "Real" bus- totally unmixed by you? Or, are you listening and blending the sounds of the samples with the real drums and sculpting a new sound that involves mix decision on both the real drums and the samples? Finally, are those "low, mid, high" kick and snare samples your own samples that you compressed and eq'd? Or are they stock samples?
2: On your lead vocal the first insert was a CLA-76 compressor plugin, then you used the Metric Halo compressor and EQ and then the Rennaissance Vox compressor and then the honk and sibilance Deessers. What is the reasoning behind this three stage compression? Is there a gain reduction you try to reach in each stage?
3: You used a Deesser as a high pass filter before your vocal reverb. Any reason to use a Deesser instead of an EQ for the high pass?
4. Is there anything you don't high pass at 50Hz or above?
5. How different do your mixes sound after mastering? What is the biggest sound change to your ears?
6. This wasn't talked about in the mix session: What converters are you using? What is your monitor controller?
7. What's the "Futz" plugin that's on the bus labelled "2Mix" . You didn't talk about that bus much where you're also using a send.
Lots of questions, but I found your tutorial fascinating. Thank you for your transparency, and congratulations on your fantastic career!
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Post by lcr on Jul 3, 2017 9:13:43 GMT -6
Hello and thanks for doing this! I realize mixing is not paint by numbers, is the HP at 50hz something you normally always do? Also boosting 60hz and HPing 100hz for bass something you normally always do, varying the amounts of 60hz boost needed for each mix?
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Post by drsax on Jul 3, 2017 11:25:02 GMT -6
Welcome Billy - great to have you here. Thanks for doing this!
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Post by stratboy on Jul 3, 2017 13:06:21 GMT -6
Yes, welcome to RealGear, Billy! I look forward to your answers to these questions. I'm going to check out the tutorial, too.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 3, 2017 14:35:28 GMT -6
Me too!
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:19:57 GMT -6
Welcome Aboard the RGO train 😎🤘 I Saw your interview with The producers Room on YouTube and it was very informative and a good watch. Most vids that style get kinda boring. Cool that you enjoy ITB mixing, I do as well. When you say you mix hot are you talking about clipping and pulling faders down? Or do you like your mixes close to -0dbfs? Are you Still using L2 on individual channels and stems or only 2bus? You also said it takes you around 2 hours to do a mix, and you work fast. Is this two hour mix a completed full mix that the client approves, that is reference checked and then sent off? yes, i mix very hot levelwise...all the way up to zero... yes i use the l2 on individual instruments..ive gone on to using the l3 on the 2buss usually it takes me about an hr to do a mix...i will then send to clients and they can tweak for as long as they like...i always go til they are happy:) |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:23:06 GMT -6
Excellent. Thanks for doing this. Billy, what's your sort of 'general' approach to drums? Just as far as what kinds of processing on each track as well as what structure of bussing you use. Do you do a lot of parallel stuff? Are all the individual tracks going to the same drum bus or are you routing some tracks to some auxes and others to other auxes? Hope that makes sense. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. hey pal, i eq and compress each drum on its own, then parellel to a dry buss with nuthing on it, a smash buss 10:1 med attack fast release.....then all the snare samples go to a sn buss that has pretty radical eq and compression...the real snare top and bottom does not go into this....ps...i did a "nail the mix" video for unstoppable recording machine....they filmed me mixing 4 songs top to bottom......i show everything...... |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:31:05 GMT -6
I have a question: Bass...what and how do you make bass thump. Do you want bass to thump or is it more about covering the bottom/sub of the mix? How do you make the bass and the kick thump? on bass it usually comes to me already compresses, so i really dont squeeze it any more....i first hipass at 70 hz.....next i eq 2 db at 100hz....2 db at 125hz...-6 db at 800hz...then i put on the maxx bass plugin by waves...preset is called aggresive...hz is set at 80 hz.... |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:33:25 GMT -6
Hi Billy. Ditto on the Producer's Room video, great! You give hope to guys who are primarily ITB. Like ChaseUTB, I notice your channel faders are lighting red quite a bit, where do you wind up level-wise on the 2mix? I suspect your sub groups are about as loud as you want them before the 2mix. Do you do any 2mix processing? yes, i hit red all the time...they are peak meters i believe..they dont stay red and are not distorting so i dont worry about it....i usually have my master fader down to about -10 ...weird i know but its just how it always comes out....if it sounds good, i dont care if the master fader is at 0, or -10....... |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:42:15 GMT -6
Hi Billy, I watched your itb mix with Dave Tough. Thanks for that!! I bought Dave's hardware GML 8200 from him. He told me he was selling it because he was mixing more in the box. No wonder! Some questions. You asked for it: LOL! 1: In the video there were three kicks whose .wav files were named differently. So, I assume you got three seperate kick tracks from the recording engineer, which makes me think the recording engineer had a sound in mind. How do you blend that sound with the samples? Do you leave the recorded tracks-outputted to the "Real" bus- totally unmixed by you? Or, are you listening and blending the sounds of the samples with the real drums and sculpting a new sound that involves mix decision on both the real drums and the samples? Finally, are those "low, mid, high" kick and snare samples your own samples that you compressed and eq'd? Or are they stock samples? 2: On your lead vocal the first insert was a CLA-76 compressor plugin, then you used the Metric Halo compressor and EQ and then the Rennaissance Vox compressor and then the honk and sibilance Deessers. What is the reasoning behind this three stage compression? Is there a gain reduction you try to reach in each stage? 3: You used a Deesser as a high pass filter before your vocal reverb. Any reason to use a Deesser instead of an EQ for the high pass? 4. Is there anything you don't high pass at 50Hz or above? 5. How different do your mixes sound after mastering? What is the biggest sound change to your ears? 6. This wasn't talked about in the mix session: What converters are you using? What is your monitor controller? 7. What's the "Futz" plugin that's on the bus labelled "2Mix" . You didn't talk about that bus much where you're also using a send. Lots of questions, but I found your tutorial fascinating. Thank you for your transparency, and congratulations on your fantastic career! there are usually 2 kik drums sent to me...a kick in and a kick out...the kick outs, are worthless:(....i take the kik in and copy it over to 3 tracks that then each fire off a sample in trigger....i blend 3 samples for my final kik sound... each compressor/limiter does something different to the lead vox...by the time all of it is on...the vox almost rides itself...i usually just ride up the chorus' and then the bridge..... it was something i saw cla do, so i thought what the hell? almost everything i do gets hi-passed...it seems to really clean up the bottom....i hi-pass the 2buss at 35...bass at 70..... my mixes come back almost virtually like i send to mastering...i'd say 10 percent wider/louder converters are the digi hd boxes..actually pretty old...lolol....monitoring sec is a procontrol, set in an argosy desk......monitors are mackies with an 18in quested sub....also have a custom set of wathens with a matching sub....and of course my trusty old boom box.....  futz is futzbox...its a mcdsp lofi plugin...i usually print the efx right to the channel, via audiosuite....... |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:44:01 GMT -6
Hello and thanks for doing this! I realize mixing is not paint by numbers, is the HP at 50hz something you normally always do? Also boosting 60hz and HPing 100hz for bass something you normally always do, varying the amounts of 60hz boost needed for each mix? bass is hipassed at 70...then eq boosted at 100hz and 125hz...a few db each..... the hi-pass is on my 2buss at 35 hz....sometimes 40hz...... |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:44:38 GMT -6
Welcome Billy - great to have you here. Thanks for doing this! anytime!!! i love answering questions..... |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:44:59 GMT -6
hey dudes, john kennedy is a good bud of mine an graciously invited me over to his site! If there is anything i can help anyone with please ask....it would be my pleasure👊🤘😎 Welcome to the party ! thank you kind sir!!!!! |
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Post by deckerator on Jul 3, 2017 20:45:32 GMT -6
Yes, welcome to RealGear, Billy! I look forward to your answers to these questions. I'm going to check out the tutorial, too. im an open book...feel free to ask away fellas:) |
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Post by c0rtland on Jul 3, 2017 22:45:35 GMT -6
You are a very generous, humble, talented, and successful man. Don't see that combo very often. Well done sir!
I am really attracted to your ability to drop everything into a template. I find that all of my sessions are so different that if I setup a template I end up changing so many things anyways that it doesn't seem to have saved me much time.
Could you shed some light on your thought process while you were establishing your template?
Thanks for coming on the forum! And if you have already explained this in another video or interview, point us to it so you don't have to rehash everything over and over.
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Post by swurveman on Jul 4, 2017 8:53:46 GMT -6
Hi Billy, I watched your itb mix with Dave Tough. Thanks for that!! I bought Dave's hardware GML 8200 from him. He told me he was selling it because he was mixing more in the box. No wonder! Some questions. You asked for it: LOL! 1: In the video there were three kicks whose .wav files were named differently. So, I assume you got three seperate kick tracks from the recording engineer, which makes me think the recording engineer had a sound in mind. How do you blend that sound with the samples? Do you leave the recorded tracks-outputted to the "Real" bus- totally unmixed by you? Or, are you listening and blending the sounds of the samples with the real drums and sculpting a new sound that involves mix decision on both the real drums and the samples? Finally, are those "low, mid, high" kick and snare samples your own samples that you compressed and eq'd? Or are they stock samples? 2: On your lead vocal the first insert was a CLA-76 compressor plugin, then you used the Metric Halo compressor and EQ and then the Rennaissance Vox compressor and then the honk and sibilance Deessers. What is the reasoning behind this three stage compression? Is there a gain reduction you try to reach in each stage? 3: You used a Deesser as a high pass filter before your vocal reverb. Any reason to use a Deesser instead of an EQ for the high pass? 4. Is there anything you don't high pass at 50Hz or above? 5. How different do your mixes sound after mastering? What is the biggest sound change to your ears? 6. This wasn't talked about in the mix session: What converters are you using? What is your monitor controller? 7. What's the "Futz" plugin that's on the bus labelled "2Mix" . You didn't talk about that bus much where you're also using a send. Lots of questions, but I found your tutorial fascinating. Thank you for your transparency, and congratulations on your fantastic career! there are usually 2 kik drums sent to me...a kick in and a kick out...the kick outs, are worthless:(....i take the kik in and copy it over to 3 tracks that then each fire off a sample in trigger....i blend 3 samples for my final kik sound... each compressor/limiter does something different to the lead vox...by the time all of it is on...the vox almost rides itself...i usually just ride up the chorus' and then the bridge..... it was something i saw cla do, so i thought what the hell? almost everything i do gets hi-passed...it seems to really clean up the bottom....i hi-pass the 2buss at 35...bass at 70..... my mixes come back almost virtually like i send to mastering...i'd say 10 percent wider/louder converters are the digi hd boxes..actually pretty old...lolol....monitoring sec is a procontrol, set in an argosy desk......monitors are mackies with an 18in quested sub....also have a custom set of wathens with a matching sub....and of course my trusty old boom box..... futz is futzbox...its a mcdsp lofi plugin...i usually print the efx right to the channel, via audiosuite....... Thank you Billy! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 4, 2017 13:57:10 GMT -6
Hi Billy, welcome to the forum. When you high pass filter at the bass at 70Hz and the 2 bus at 35 Hz, which plug-in do you do that with?
Jay Messina, (the great engineer/producer) is a friend of mine. I sent him a note a few days ago about my vocal chain, and his answer threw me a bit.
I have the UAD Apollo, so I can print with UAD plug-ins directly if I want. I also have hardware clone of the Neve 1073, 1176, LA2A and Pultec EQ. The 1073 just got here last weekend, and when I asked Jay about stopping by to help me dial in my vocal chain, (assuming I'd go 1073 > 1176 > LA2A > EQP-1A), he said track without compression, and fix any volume issues in automation.
I wouldn't dream of arguing otherwise, but somehow feel that's not the path for me, although as an experiment, I'll try a "plain" vocal one time, just to see.
What are your thoughts about this?
My benchmark vocal sound is Lyle Lovette's "Road to Ensenada". Nathaniel Kunkle told me he used a U67 on voice and a C24, (stereo C-12) on the guitar at the same time for that track, and the bleed was part of the sound. There were Masenberg converters and I think Massenberg EQ and Compression, but I'm not sure about the compression.One of my more recent benchmarks vocal sounds is Dierks Bentley's "Home". I'd guess a U47 on that.
What kind of processing you would use to get close to that kind of sound?
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