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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 3, 2017 19:07:59 GMT -6
I'm in a small room that's fully carpeted with a lot of bass traps, I'm finding my room to be too dead sounding. The bass response is better than I thought it'd be but I'm definitely having issues hearing some high end detail. It's most evident to me with reverb and delay trails. That being said this is kind of an impulse purchase, I have $200 burning a hole in my pocket and I really liked those DT 990's. Are you just mixing in this room, or tracking too? At the moment just mixing but I have some library music I'll be working on soon so I'll be recording guitars and bass in here too. I have a really live sounding living room (vaulted ceilings, hardwood floors) that I think I'll try tracking in. Sounds good with me just playing acoustic guitar in there right now. I could get away with recording vocals inbefe I think. But I'm looking for a bigger room to track drums, and full bands in. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Jul 3, 2017 21:09:10 GMT -6
Am I the only one that finds monitors more revealing for reverb and effects? My main headphones are HD580 (Pre cursor to HD600) I find it hard to judge reverb on headphones. With speakers I get more of a sense of space so when I'm on headphones I always use to much verb. |
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Post by mdmitch2 on Jul 3, 2017 23:43:12 GMT -6
I love the DT880s for checking mixes and tweaking a bit.... 250 ohm version. They need more juice than my other headphones, but any cheap headphone amp can drive them plenty loud, including my iPhone. They're semi open, and supposed to be flatter than the 990s (less bass/treble boost).
Sometimes I wish they had a tad more bass, just for fun factor... but probably more accurate as they are.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 4, 2017 1:05:02 GMT -6
As long as the vocal, verb, and delay aint overpowering on Apple earbuds then you are good. Those are really the only mixing headphones you need 😱😎 It's what ppl listen on in society! Tracking then yeah closed back all the way!
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 4, 2017 12:27:46 GMT -6
So I just bought both the DT 990's and AKG Q701's. I'll report back when I've had a chance to audition both and let you all know which ones I keep. Thx for the suggestions.
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Post by ericn on Jul 6, 2017 6:09:42 GMT -6
Here I have a bunch of the $80 & $100 Grado's Sony 7506's Stax electrostatics plus $10 Target Beats clones. They all bring something to the party!
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 9, 2017 15:41:19 GMT -6
I like my HD650s as a reference. That said if you are trying to mix solely on headphones you will need a way to guestimate/accomodate for their inherently problematic center channel balance and bottom octave. I basically had to do this for a few years when we were living abroad and it kind of sucked. It always sucks if you I switch back to the monitors...so I just use them for checking some ranges. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 9, 2017 16:59:50 GMT -6
Funny Chase should mention earbuds. I was doing a video conference the other day, and using my Sony earbuds. Afterwards I happened to listen to one of my tracks, and then figured I should listen to all of them. So after listening through the whole album new album I'm working on, it was OK. That was a relief, I hadn't even thought to bother with earbuds, but it's worth a listen just in case something's way off.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 9, 2017 17:09:34 GMT -6
Those apple white earbuds for $10 are some of the worst audio I have ever heard! I just accidentally found this out on the way to an appointment recently. I was eh, shaking my head. Poor excuse for sound reproduction. They should be giving those things away with Happy Meals.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 9, 2017 19:27:50 GMT -6
Those apple white earbuds for $10 are some of the worst audio I have ever heard! I just accidentally found this out on the way to an appointment recently. I was eh, shaking my head. Poor excuse for sound reproduction. They should be giving those things away with Happy Meals. That and they're physically painful when you have to jam them in your ears (because they're always falling out). Anyone else having that problem? I have some skull candies now that feel better but still sound like crap. |
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Post by Guitar on Jul 9, 2017 19:37:07 GMT -6
Those apple white earbuds for $10 are some of the worst audio I have ever heard! I just accidentally found this out on the way to an appointment recently. I was eh, shaking my head. Poor excuse for sound reproduction. They should be giving those things away with Happy Meals. That and they're physically painful when you have to jam them in your ears (because they're always falling out). Anyone else having that problem? I have some skull candies now that feel better but still sound like crap. I have a friend that swears by in-ears but I don't remember what brand or model she prefers. I don't find them very comfortable, either. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 9, 2017 21:38:23 GMT -6
The Sony earbuds I have were a gift, they cost $179 ten years ago, which was really pricey. Thing is, they sound fantastic. They're comfortable, and if you set them in properly, they're almost as good as my headphones. I had a friend who went to an audiophile shop and ordered ear buds that were custom made to fit him, and they cost around $500 or $600. I told him he should have checked with me first. I tried them, and they were a bit shrill, kind of nasty, but he was trying to convince himself they are OK.
I gave him my Sony earbuds to try, and his jaw dropped. I don't think the current models Sony makes are anywhere near as good. I just got lucky.
I'll remember to check my mixes on them from now on.
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 10, 2017 8:45:53 GMT -6
Beyer DT770 pro working real good here. Translates very very well for me. Though the 250 ohm version needs a really good headphone amp. If you don't have that great of headphone amp, the 80 ohm is better. Or if you want more drive for performance. But overall, they work for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 17:27:57 GMT -6
I recently bought the Audio Technica ATH-R70X, they're the best headphones I've come across so far in terms of monitor to headphone translation.. They're not quite as accurate / clear as my monitors but some of the stereo field is a bit more "in focus" as opposed to wide which might help you catch a few things.. Ultimatley they're not completely different to my LYD 48's and that's what I was looking for..
I've had some Senny HD650's which I accidently stood on, they're not in the same league as the AT's but the price wouldn't suggest that.
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Post by stratboy on Apr 27, 2018 20:16:19 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Focals for mixing? Any opinions?
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Post by drew571 on Apr 27, 2018 20:38:13 GMT -6
I've had grades, Sony, audio technica, and Beyer dynamic. Now I'm on shure srh840 and absolutely love em. Fantastic and not expensive
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 28, 2018 0:53:27 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Focals for mixing? Any opinions? I use Spirit Pros and do a lot of mixing on them when on the road. I've gotten good results, I've had songs with radio airplay mixed on them so you can get pro results on them. However it usually takes me a lot more time than when mixing on a good set of speakers in a treated room and it can be a bit hit or miss. I've had mixes I thought were awesome, then listened to them on another system and they sounds small and harsh because my ears were tired. The sonarworks plugin can def help. Referencing helps a lot. I listen to reference mixes a lot more when I'm using headphones to recalibrate my ears all the time...and I take very frequent breaks, it breaks the workflow a bit but I can't take hours on end of headphone mixing. And I'll also use whatever else is available... I'll listen on my macbook speakers, I'll look for problematic frequencies on distorted guitars which seem to really show up on tiny mac speakers...I'll check my mix the basic Iphone earbuds too I do genre of music where there's not a ton of bass information, I imagine it would be complicated to mix EDM on headphones without hearing what's going on in the sub frequencies. |
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Post by stratboy on Apr 28, 2018 4:54:33 GMT -6
Thanks for all the good info, Brice. I have the room and the speakers, but I’m going to be spending more time on the road, hence my interest in mixing on ‘phones. I appreciate your thoughts!
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 28, 2018 5:04:29 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Focals for mixing? Any opinions? I had the Spirit Pros, and now have the new Listen Pros. Worked on them last night, actually. They have a nice sense of depth to them. Also, they are more comfortable than the Spirit Pros and the headphone band is way more durable. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 28, 2018 6:08:33 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the Focals for mixing? Any opinions? I had the Spirit Pros, and now have the new Listen Pros. Worked on them last night, actually. They have a nice sense of depth to them. Also, they are more comfortable than the Spirit Pros and the headphone band is way more durable. I'm gonna have to try those. The band broke on mine and I'm pretty careful. Focal exchanged it for a new one but I can already see a little crack on the new set and I haven't had it that long... |
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Post by indiehouse on Apr 28, 2018 8:46:48 GMT -6
I had the Spirit Pros, and now have the new Listen Pros. Worked on them last night, actually. They have a nice sense of depth to them. Also, they are more comfortable than the Spirit Pros and the headphone band is way more durable. I'm gonna have to try those. The band broke on mine and I'm pretty careful. Focal exchanged it for a new one but I can already see a little crack on the new set and I haven't had it that long... I had mine replaced twice. Problem solved with the Listen Pros. |
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Post by Omicron9 on May 3, 2018 10:00:48 GMT -6
I sold my Senn 650; the top end was dull and muddy compared to other headphones I have. E.g., the AKG-701 which I like. My current favorite mix headphones are the Shure 940. Great stereo imaging, and more accurate than the 701s. The 701s always sounded a bit bass-light to me; the 940s seem very flat. Also very comfy for extended periods. Recommended.
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Post by swurveman on May 3, 2018 11:47:57 GMT -6
Am I the only one that finds monitors more revealing for reverb and effects? I think headphones are revealing for a quick check of things like if there's too much plate reverb on a lead vocal . As for speakers, I can't get a good overall reverb read from my Adam a7x's- which are 65" apart from the middle of each speaker cabinet- but can from my NS10's which are about 24" from each other. So, I'm best checking reverb on my NS10's and my headphones. |
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