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Post by stam on Jun 30, 2017 10:23:55 GMT -6
Hey Guys, A swedish engineer sent me these tracks yesterday, they have a bit of processing (same for both) and they are level matched. He will post a video of this test which included another clone as well in a few weeks and he will also upload the raw files. The aim of the test was to find out how close the clones were (or not) to his vintage Neumann U87, I am very pleased with the results and look forward to your opinion. As a clarification, this version of the SA87 is with the Heiserman capsule and Sowter output transformer. soundcloud.com/stamaudioelectronics/u87i-female-vocalsoundcloud.com/stamaudioelectronics/sa87-heiserman-female-vocal |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 12:10:57 GMT -6
The SA-87 continues to impress me. So tempted to snag one, though I kinda think the version with the RK-87 capsule would be better for VO.
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Post by wiz on Jun 30, 2017 18:01:28 GMT -6
Hey Guys, A swedish engineer sent me these tracks yesterday, they have a bit of processing (same for both) and they are level matched. He will post a video of this test which included another clone as well in a few weeks and he will also upload the raw files. The aim of the test was to find out how close the clones were (or not) to his vintage Neumann U87, I am very pleased with the results and look forward to your opinion. As a clarification, this version of the SA87 is with the Heiserman capsule and Sowter output transformer. soundcloud.com/stamaudioelectronics/u87i-female-vocalsoundcloud.com/stamaudioelectronics/sa87-heiserman-female-vocalSounds good given that old 87s can vary a lot.. thats pretty cool. I like both. The stam, at its price point is a really very good microphone for sure. If you can get my pre ordered 47 to sound that close to the 47s I have sung through, I will be a very happy Wiz! 8) PS send me down a 87 and I will put it up against mine that I recorded that "House of the rising sun clip" with. cheers Wiz |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 1, 2017 11:28:48 GMT -6
3 mics 87 style mics They are warm audio 87 Stam audio 87 mic parts 87 I don't know the order of the mics .... which do you like in a voiceover context Slight compression applied to each .... says they were recorded together but seems the bieginning is more compressed / slightly louder rms than the others m.soundcloud.com/user-308090721/mic-composite/s-az8QmA: Warm B: S3-87 C: Stam I didn't like the sibilance on B, I like the way A and C handle some of the sibilance but still they need a slower release in the compression. I feel this is also important because not everyone is an expert at compressing vocals so this does show you how the capsules/ audio react to compression... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 13:41:20 GMT -6
New Hoborec shootout with Vintage u87 v. Stam SA-87 v. Warm WA-87
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Post by popmann on Jul 11, 2017 15:32:37 GMT -6
Hey Guys, A swedish engineer sent me these tracks yesterday, they have a bit of processing (same for both) and they are level matched. He will post a video of this test which included another clone as well in a few weeks and he will also upload the raw files. The aim of the test was to find out how close the clones were (or not) to his vintage Neumann U87, I am very pleased with the results and look forward to your opinion. As a clarification, this version of the SA87 is with the Heiserman capsule and Sowter output transformer. soundcloud.com/stamaudioelectronics/u87i-female-vocalsoundcloud.com/stamaudioelectronics/sa87-heiserman-female-vocalSounds good given that old 87s can vary a lot.. thats pretty cool. I like both. I didn't listen to these FWIW-so, my comment isn't directly related to these clips....but, I need to point out that I couldn't disagree more strongly. Old 87s don't vary much at ALL IME.....it's literally why they are what they are. You might have one coated in spit that's slightly darker....slight high shelf and it will match a not gummed up one.... NEW U87AIs are the ones that vary from great to dogshit and everywhere in between, IME. I've had old ones that were literally a decade apart (by serial) that were stereo pair quality matches. At some point, there were 4 here....spanning a total of a decade--none close in serial....completely interchangeable. the issue in modern LDC manufacture is the capsule consistency. I've had a "sold as matched pair" of Neumann M149s here-sounded like two different mics (model) on a close mic'd pop vocal-I tell that story to point out it's not just a problem with low cost LDCs. But it IS a modern problem. PreSennhessier Neumann was a gold standard of consistency. IME. |
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Post by ragan on Jul 11, 2017 17:39:33 GMT -6
I thought the Stam was closer here. All three sounded good, but the Stam sounded closer to the U87 in this example.
Edit: referring to the video MYN posted, FYI.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 11, 2017 23:23:28 GMT -6
Really liked the sound and feel of the Stam in that video.
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Post by Ward on Jul 12, 2017 5:52:52 GMT -6
I thought the Stam was closer here. All three sounded good, but the Stam sounded closer to the U87 in this example. Edit: referring to the video MYN posted, FYI. That was astounding actually. I have to yet again be a Stam fanboy. I could hear very little difference between the SA87 and the older Neumann U87. The Warm WA87 was also a fine sounding microphone but much brighter and sibilant, like a TLM103. Many thanks to whoever did this comparison video!! |
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Post by ragan on Jul 12, 2017 6:09:52 GMT -6
I thought the Stam was closer here. All three sounded good, but the Stam sounded closer to the U87 in this example. Edit: referring to the video MYN posted, FYI. That was astounding actually. I have to yet again be a Stam fanboy. I could hear very little difference between the SA87 and the older Neumann U87. The Warm WA87 was also a fine sounding microphone but much brighter and sibilant, like a TLM103. Many thanks to whoever did this comparison video!! I had a WA87 here and it wasn't bright or sibilant but yeah, that SA-87 and that particular U87 were really close. Kudos to Dany Bouchard and Eric Heiserman. Might have to build myself one. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 11:33:40 GMT -6
That was astounding actually. I have to yet again be a Stam fanboy. I could hear very little difference between the SA87 and the older Neumann U87. The Warm WA87 was also a fine sounding microphone but much brighter and sibilant, like a TLM103. Many thanks to whoever did this comparison video!! I had a WA87 here and it wasn't bright or sibilant but yeah, that SA-87 and that particular U87 were really close. Kudos to Dany Bouchard and Eric Heiserman. Might have to build myself one. Yeah man. Totally made me think about building a D-87, too. But, I read somewhere that Stam does at least one component swap from the regular D87 build to get the SA-87's sound though I don't know what those swaps may be. |
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Post by reddirt on Jul 12, 2017 20:31:32 GMT -6
01 Stam Cardioid 6 12 inches.mp3 (887.37 KB) 01 Stam Cardioid.mp3 (900.59 KB) 01 Stam Fig 8.mp3 (829.67 KB) 01 Stam Omni.mp3 (946.44 KB) 01 Stam Cello 1.mp3 (508.11 KB) 01 Stam SA 87 extra switches.mp3 (525.25 KB) Hey Guys , thought I'd throw something into the mix. These are 192 MP3s so not perfect but should be enough to get across the message It's me speaking a piece from a written advert so no Vincent Price and as you'll realise each piece is an individual performance with energy and distance not being absolutely the same as the next. The 6 and 12" file is in cardioid and hopefully gives a sense of volume and tone change with typical distances although the room sound does compromise it a little Also, it's in my lounge (the studio is in disarray) which has tiles with a carpet and distant hard walls, I've got 1 Auralex 2' x2' canopy 1' above the mic to mollify the effect of a 10' hardboard ceiling. Vincent asked for some cello so here's a short totally unadulterated piece done virtually the day i got the mic; about 2 ' away , 2' off the floor, directly out from the f hole . We had no time to experiment with position as the cellist had a sick child and I took what I could get. I had intended to have vocals but the client is still getting things together but intend to do that when poss. I won't post my thoughts till later as I don't want to prejudice any opinions Also, don't confuse this as a piece to show the sound of the mic; it's purely to show it's axis response etc. Cheers, Ross
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Post by c0rtland on Jul 12, 2017 20:40:09 GMT -6
Yeah. Didn't like the warm.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jul 13, 2017 5:58:23 GMT -6
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Post by wiz on Jul 13, 2017 16:05:30 GMT -6
01 Stam SA 87 extra switches.mp3 (525.25 KB) Hey Guys , thought I'd throw something into the mix. These are 192 MP3s so not perfect but should be enough to get across the message It's me speaking a piece from a written advert so no Vincent Price and as you'll realise each piece is an individual performance with energy and distance not being absolutely the same as the next. The 6 and 12" file is in cardioid and hopefully gives a sense of volume and tone change with typical distances although the room sound does compromise it a little Also, it's in my lounge (the studio is in disarray) which has tiles with a carpet and distant hard walls, I've got 1 Auralex 2' x2' canopy 1' above the mic to mollify the effect of a 10' hardboard ceiling. Vincent asked for some cello so here's a short totally unadulterated piece done virtually the day i got the mic; about 2 ' away , 2' off the floor, directly out from the f hole . We had no time to experiment with position as the cellist had a sick child and I took what I could get. I had intended to have vocals but the client is still getting things together but intend to do that when poss. I won't post my thoughts till later as I don't want to prejudice any opinions Also, don't confuse this as a piece to show the sound of the mic; it's purely to show it's axis response etc. Cheers, Ross Nice Work Ross!!! good sounding mic, no zing.. thats the thing! cheers Wiz |
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Post by reddirt on Jul 13, 2017 19:19:25 GMT -6
Yeah Wiz, my voice is fairly sibilant and it didn't accent that .
It has a very broad cardioid response and seems to still sound nice when well off axis.
All the files are from 6" away (except when 12" as noted)
The cello shows it's no light weight there's depth and no edge so am keen to push it with a decent vocalist in the near future to find out more.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by stam on Jul 13, 2017 20:40:40 GMT -6
I had a WA87 here and it wasn't bright or sibilant but yeah, that SA-87 and that particular U87 were really close. Kudos to Dany Bouchard and Eric Heiserman. Might have to build myself one. Yeah man. Totally made me think about building a D-87, too. But, I read somewhere that Stam does at least one component swap from the regular D87 build to get the SA-87's sound though I don't know what those swaps may be. The 3 main differences between the DIY kit and ours are, in order of importance: The HK87 we get was modified by Eric to our specs, particularly around the 5k area. We use a Sowter output transformer (1303f). We use a different value polystyrene capacitor on C6. I think building one DIY would end up costing more than getting one from us but it also takes the fun away of building your own mic! Thanks for the feedback guys, more mics to come soon! |
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