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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2017 12:50:50 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2017 12:51:05 GMT -6
Should be volume matched
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Post by spindrift on Jun 29, 2017 13:05:44 GMT -6
That's tough....I like B a touch better. The Vocal sounds a slight bit more full....and the stereo soundstage is more clear. But these are close and I could be playing mindgames with myself (insert standard lame disclaimer).
Keith
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2017 13:15:46 GMT -6
I ABX'd and could get it about 60-70% of the time...I hear more clarity in one and more bottom in the other.
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Post by wiz on Jun 29, 2017 15:38:54 GMT -6
I ABX'd and could get it about 60-70% of the time...I hear more clarity in one and more bottom in the other. This is what I heard with A having more bottom and somewhat unfocussed, and B being tighter sounding, in the low end, with more clarity.. and that seems to give more seperation this is the kind of impact the SA4000 by stam has for me I vote B Cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2017 15:54:31 GMT -6
I hear A as having more clarity and a bigger soundstage. B having the more rolled off top with bigger bottom.
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Post by unit7 on Jun 29, 2017 16:32:36 GMT -6
In the AKG K141 cans I have at home I heard the same as Wiz did. More sub in A and a tad too big and unfocused bottom. Liked B better because of that, but if that sub got tamed in mastering or whatever perhaps I'd like A better
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Post by ragan on Jun 29, 2017 18:26:03 GMT -6
I like A. Better space/distinction to me. The whole lower half of the spectrum on B is a little more muddy and indistinct.
I listened/compared blind, FWIW.
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Post by ragan on Jun 29, 2017 18:26:38 GMT -6
I hear A as having more clarity and a bigger soundstage. B having the more rolled off top with bigger bottom. Me too, exactly. |
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Post by matt on Jun 29, 2017 22:09:07 GMT -6
A definitely works the subs on my home theater rig harder, there's more deep low end compared to B. B would probably translate better to different playback systems. I'd like to hear more definition out of the bass guitar. Not sure what frequencies or processing to suggest, I always struggle with bass! It sounds more like a pad to me on the sustained A and G. Lots of sub energy there, particularly on mix A.
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Post by noah shain on Jun 29, 2017 22:21:09 GMT -6
Interesting how people like the different files for exactly the same reasons!
Some like A better and gear B as less focused with more bottom.
Others like B better and hear A as less focused and more bottom.
How the heck does that happen?
More and more I feel betrayed by the old A/B comparison.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 29, 2017 22:46:20 GMT -6
So - A was ITB summed in Cubase
B was going through the D-box and printed back in.
Seemed to me that B sounds a bit more rolled off - which some could like better.
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Post by ragan on Jun 29, 2017 23:41:39 GMT -6
Interesting how people like the different files for exactly the same reasons! Some like A better and gear B as less focused with more bottom. Others like B better and hear A as less focused and more bottom. How the heck does that happen? More and more I feel betrayed by the old A/B comparison. Definitely weird. I was reading responses thinking "Are you sure you guys have the files right???". They were probably thinking the same thing about my response. |
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Post by donr on Jun 30, 2017 4:50:44 GMT -6
Listened on apple phone headphones in the Glasgow airport. A sounds like too much bass, I'm thinking JK went overboard with that UAD Eden plug. : )
B sounded more homogenized and sounded better balanced on the crappy headphones.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 30, 2017 5:25:04 GMT -6
^^This^^ :0 Well  |
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Post by levon on Jun 30, 2017 6:53:38 GMT -6
I also heard more bass in A. And I liked it better. But B sounded more clear on top. So, to sum it up, I like the bottom end of A and the clarity of B. Make it version C!
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Post by reddirt on Jun 30, 2017 6:57:54 GMT -6
John, on a very quick "first impressions' listen , I preferred B. A was a bit unwieldy with the extra sub base content.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by swurveman on Jun 30, 2017 8:32:26 GMT -6
I prefer A. I could hear the guitars more distinctly supporting the vocal and the bass didn't bother me though it was higher than B. Nevertheless, if people are saying on subs that the bass on A is really loud, then that's a problem. Of course if they've got their subs cranked, then maybe it's not. lol!
I think the only way to do an A/B effectively is for everybody to listen to them on the same set(s) of speakers in the same room. Speakers, rooms and headphones all have their own effect on the sound.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2017 12:09:05 GMT -6
The bass could be too big on both. Not a finished mix. But why would I not want extra bass info that I can...well, just turn down?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 30, 2017 12:23:02 GMT -6
A seems to have more top. I prefer A, especially for a female, pop country tune like this.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2017 12:43:16 GMT -6
Yeah listening again...I think A is more full spectrum. BTW - I LOVE that big sub bass (I've been trying to get that bass sound for years now)
At the very least, they are extremely close and I tend to like A a little better. So, why would I keep doing all these extra steps with the summing if I don't like the result as much? I think I might have been confusing the benefits of running through the VP28s to the summing all this time. (these two weren't run through the VP28s.)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2017 12:57:08 GMT -6
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Post by iamasound on Jul 1, 2017 7:41:03 GMT -6
Coming in late to the game while wearing Sennheiser IE80 earphones, Mix A engaged me emotionally as I felt each instrument more defined in space, and in this way created opportunitites for changing my focus from place to place in space as the song moved linearly left to right across its timeline. B was not nearly as exciting for me for it felt constrained and contained, kind of what I suppose a tall person experiences in a centuries old English farm cottage, definately livable but after a time fatigue sets in from stooping and having to duck every time needing to walk through a doorway. Nice song, by the way! And yes, I would have prefered my fovorite to have been the analogue D-Box, but hey, whatever sounds best sounds best...to me.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jul 1, 2017 11:17:22 GMT -6
Vp 28 mix sounds kinda like a best of both worlds ... did you just use them for gain staging or with the filters ? What or is the ITB summing lacking for you?
I liked A over B as well
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2017 11:43:13 GMT -6
Vp 28 mix sounds kinda like a best of both worlds ... did you just use them for gain staging or with the filters ? What or is the ITB summing lacking for you? I liked A over B as well It's weird. I thought summing was giving me more headroom...but do I really need more headroom? Also, like I said above, I think I was attributing the VP28s affects to the summing. As far as itb lacking something- well, honestly it doesn't really lack anything to my ears here. The vp28 seems to add more bottom which is nice. Btw - it was just set to line in with no input or output volume tweaking. So I could dial in more input and less output if I wanted. |
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