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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 23, 2017 7:44:54 GMT -6
I know...I suck...but I'm wondering whether a second monitor pair might reveal more than one set with the "golden" DA. Maybe being able to hear my stuff in a totally different take would be equivalent to listening to my shitty stereo in the car? What's your take?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 23, 2017 7:47:03 GMT -6
Have you thought about the new gene's ?
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Post by nick8801 on Jun 23, 2017 8:24:26 GMT -6
Are you looking for a second main pair, or something different? I use a pair of reftones as a scond reference, and I love working on them. Powered with a little Samson Servo 120, I think the whole set up maybe cost me 500 bux. They're fun to mix on, and sometimes I even enjoy listening to music for pleasure through them.
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Post by M57 on Jun 23, 2017 8:51:26 GMT -6
Not to derail the thread, but I've got a semi-related question after reading nick8801 's post. I have a pair of B&W Matrix 2 Series 2's that I'd love to hook up in my studio. I know they're not necessarily good for mixing - though I'd certainly be checking mixes through them when pseudo-mastering, but they LOVE power and don't like to see ANY clipping. I can't afford an ADCOM 555 these days at well over $1000 and I'm just not comfortable buying an amp used. I was wondering if something like the Samson Servo 300 is up to the task. $279 is small money compared to something like the ADCOM and that's a red flag, but on the other hand it's been a long time since my audiophile-wannabe days. Can someone make an alternate recommendation for a decent amp in the ~$400-500 range? OR does anyone want to second the Sampson??
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Post by avgatzeblouz on Jun 23, 2017 9:17:35 GMT -6
The way I avoid needing a second pair is by treating my room, and mixing for 40 minutes or so at very very low volume, and for 20 minutes after that quite loud. Then break for 10. This cycle helps me keeping the perspective, enough not to need a second pair.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 23, 2017 9:47:06 GMT -6
You already bought them, the AIR 652's. Replace the crossover cap and they are very revealing. I use my Ross Martin Super Beast to feed mine into a Adcom GFA 535 in the shop and I hear new stuff on old records all the time. Invest $30 into some caps and enjoy the revealing sonics of the AMT's.
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Post by sozocaps on Jun 23, 2017 9:57:43 GMT -6
So.... to give you some background I come from an electronic audio background and I have over the years auditioned and built and owned tons of monitors. I also have had TONS of audiophile equipment very high end tube and solid state monblocks silver cables, all of the crazy items audiophiles drool over etc, etc, etc ....
Speaker design is crazy... you can take the same drivers and change the design and they are COMPLETELY different speakers. For example if you design with a passive crossover vs a active that makes monumental differences. The crossover slope and time aligned driver sounds completely different then electronically aligned phase. The box and corners matter... sealed vs ported are two totally different experiences and you can not have both. That being said speakers and the room you listen in are the most important thing we can do in our listening reference. Take Greg Wells as an example with his 60k PMC monitors he is currently using. To me it is fine to keep looking but do not loose your reference as you go or you will get lost quick if you do not know what each speaker is designed for. I personally DO NOT like soft dome tweeters, they lie and DO NOT reproduce accurately. I would rather have the truth even if it hurts.
I do think it's funny how us who record obsess 90% less over our listening environment and playback gear then people who casually listen and have NO idea what the original instrument in the room it was played in sounds like. So when you record next time think about the original performance and room.
I like to keep things consistent anymore, I know my monitors and I can hear well on them and they translate well. I would still like to upgrade but I am not looking.
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Post by nick8801 on Jun 23, 2017 10:15:07 GMT -6
Not to derail the thread, but I've got a semi-related question after reading nick8801 's post. I have a pair of B&W Matrix 2 Series 2's that I'd love to hook up in my studio. I know they're not necessarily good for mixing - though I'd certainly be checking mixes through them when pseudo-mastering, but they LOVE power and don't like to see ANY clipping. I can't afford an ADCOM 555 these days at well over $1000 and I'm just not comfortable buying an amp used. I was wondering if something like the Samson Servo 300 is up to the task. $279 is small money compared to something like the ADCOM and that's a red flag, but on the other hand it's been a long time since my audiophile-wannabe days. Can someone make an alternate recommendation for a decent amp in the ~$400-500 range? OR does anyone want to second the Sampson?? The larger Samsons have fans. The 120 does not. If you need more power buy two and use them in bridged mono. You'll get a ridiculous amount of power and the amp is really clean unless you really start pushing things past a reasonable level.
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Post by ericn on Jun 23, 2017 11:16:22 GMT -6
As much as I am pro multiple monitors, your space is so small that I fear more baffles will cause more problems and it is going to be as much about finding something that works where you can put them as finding something you like but different. Also your sub is really set up to match a single pair of speakers, if you want to set up the sub to work with both your going to make some serious compromises!
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Post by swurveman on Jun 23, 2017 14:05:16 GMT -6
I bought a pair of NS10's and can say that they help me EQ'ing electric guitars and balancing the mix. I don't EQ anything else but electric guitars while listening on NS10's, but I always like the results when I switch to my Adam A7x's.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 23, 2017 14:07:43 GMT -6
Got any phones? I really like my HD650's and AKG Q701's. Might be a good way for you to get a different perspective.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 23, 2017 14:49:39 GMT -6
Got any phones? I really like my HD650's and AKG Q701's. Might be a good way for you to get a different perspective. I only can seem to glean two thing from phones: If the vocal isn't up in phones I know I need to boost it, and I hear reverb best in phones. I've got 650's, Focal's, AKG 240's and others. I have learned not to do the whack a mole thing where you adjust something from listening on one set of monitors, change it when listening to the second set, then change it again after listening to phones. That's a kind of circular mixing hell. LOL! Sometimes I wonder if I just had one reference, and learned that really, really well, if I'd be better off. BTW: I haven't forgotten your generous offer to put a track through your 1176's. The track I want is on a usb drive that I'm having trouble accessing.
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Post by john on Jun 23, 2017 15:29:34 GMT -6
Apple Earbuds ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 23, 2017 15:55:57 GMT -6
Seriously..... I mean you're better off getting one of those little bluetooth speakers or a boom box. Or, even the apple earbuds, things folks use to playback these days.
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Post by M57 on Jun 23, 2017 17:29:08 GMT -6
Seriously..... I mean you're better off getting one of those little bluetooth speakers or a boom box. Or, even the apple earbuds, things folks use to playback these days. Recently I've been testing my mixes with a Libratone Zipp (basically a bluetooth/wi-fi speaker - Sonos is the popular competition). It's a common higher end portable (it's not "little") and a great mono test. I'm thinking of getting another because you can then put them in stereo mode. The best part: I can test my mixes not just in different rooms or outdoors but in different locations in those rooms = basically letting me hear mixes the way people pipe music around their homes.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 23, 2017 17:43:11 GMT -6
Seriously..... I mean you're better off getting one of those little bluetooth speakers or a boom box. Or, even the apple earbuds, things folks use to playback these days. I bought a harman kardon onyx studio speaker after seeing people having them in a bunch of homes. I can't believe people listen to music on them. Mono. Bass heavy. Fuuuck.
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Post by jampa on Jun 23, 2017 18:16:47 GMT -6
it is a parallax on the truth
you know it is the right move
unless you know your setup completely - with all its differences
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 23, 2017 18:20:31 GMT -6
Seriously..... I mean you're better off getting one of those little bluetooth speakers or a boom box. Or, even the apple earbuds, things folks use to playback these days. Billy Decker style
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Post by Ward on Jun 23, 2017 23:24:50 GMT -6
4 monitor speakers? Are you recording in doubly now?
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Post by stratboy on Jun 24, 2017 5:53:18 GMT -6
I have an old pair of Auratones, driven by a $35 amp I got from Parts Express. I find them useful as a check to see how the mix sounds on crummy speakers. I think the idea of a second pair is a good one, but try to find something that sounds bad in a good (meaning in-hyped)way. Auratones or the modern equivalent, NS-10s or the modern equivalent ...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jun 24, 2017 6:21:57 GMT -6
Apple just released a keynote for the $349 " HomePod " mono device 😂
"There’s also an A8 chip inside that does automatic EQ and echo cancellation with beamforming for the tweeters — it detects the size and shape of a room to tune the best sound."
"We built the high-excursion woofer with a custom amplifier to play a wide range of deep, rich bass. A powerful motor drives the diaphragm a full 20 mm — remarkable for a speaker this size. Meanwhile, HomePod uses an advanced algorithm that continuously analyzes the music and dynamically tunes the low frequencies for smooth, distortion‑free sound"
"HomePod has a unique array of seven beamforming tweeters that precisely focus the sound, from very narrow beams all the way to true, consistent 360º audio. By aiming those beams throughout the room, the tweeters create an immersive sense of space — no matter where HomePod is or where you’re sitting."
High-excursion woofer with custom amplifier Array of seven horn-loaded tweeters, each with its own custom amplifier Six-microphone array for far-field Siri and room sensing Internal low-frequency calibration microphone for automatic bass correction Direct and ambient audio beamforming Transparent studio-level dynamic processing
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 24, 2017 11:04:17 GMT -6
Why not a mono Avantone Mix Cube? That's what I have, and it's definitely proven useful, although I don't use it as much as I was expecting to. Very clear midrange from an unported design, and not much lows or highs to distract you.
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Post by jayson on Jun 24, 2017 12:13:25 GMT -6
I'm sort of in the same boat. I do like checking my mixes on the car stereo. Seems like I always pick up on what I'd like to polish versus what I'd like to eliminate or change that way, but only in a general sense. I think that maybe the benefit there is that I listen a little more passively in the car because I'm focused more on driving rather than the music itself ; if something pops up that I don't like I notice it more. I have a VSP Labs power amp and some B&W CM5 speakers I've been toying with the idea of installing in the CR just to see if it inspires me at all, but I have to confess that I'm not sure if that's a can of worms I'd be happier keeping closed; it's too easy for me to over-analyze and second guess myself to death as it is. For the moment it's not at the top of my list of things to do anyway- I'm finally installing a patch-bay and I'm betting that's gonna have me chasing my tail for the entire summer.
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Post by mulmany on Jun 24, 2017 12:30:27 GMT -6
I use a pair of HS50M's with the mid boost engaged as my second monitors. They are useful, I switch back and forth and fix until nothing jumps out.
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Post by javamad on Jun 24, 2017 12:36:17 GMT -6
I have 2 Avantone mix cubes and its a great switch up from the A7X ... talking a walk outside for 5 minutes is also a great switch up. When I come back I play the track all the way through taking notes - if I stop to fix the first problem I lose my perspective.
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