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Post by topshelfmg on Jul 9, 2017 20:54:03 GMT -6
Interesting! Well, if I went the Bryston route, I would likely go the full SST2 route. Would I see any benefit in having 500 watts per channel with the 4B vs the 250 watts per channel with the 3B when the recommended wattage for the monitors is 50-200 watts? Headroom headroom headroom ! Remember your only talking a couple of DB So the headroom increases with increased wattage... but doesn't distortion normally increase at lower levels if around 1/3 of the wattage isn't hit? But anyways... in that case, the Bryston 4B SST2 would make for a better amp then?
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Post by ericn on Jul 9, 2017 21:24:08 GMT -6
Your acting like there are hard rules to this and there are not, it's all a series of trade offs and personal preferences. Personally I wouldn't buy monitors of this price range without hearing them with the intended amp in my room. Granted that isn't always possible but I would make sure my dealer has a liberal return policy. I know this is hard, but when it comes to audio, especially transducers you can't get what you want till you know what you want & you can only figure that out by listening. In the end it really doesn't matter what you monitor through and through is the important part. Pros don't listen to speakers they listen through them, it's about knowing what your speakers do right and what they do wrong. Learning monitors takes time and you have to be very careful and know the reality of your reference material! 1/2 an hour in a room with JK, Wiz Savart Jeromemason listening to live tracks and tracks I know taught me more about what they are saying hear than a year on the internet. Most of the mastering guys I know didn't sweat the monitors this much, they went B&W 800 , Avalon Acustics, ATC ,Duntech or Something custom. and learned the speaker in their room.
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Post by topshelfmg on Jul 9, 2017 21:34:51 GMT -6
Your acting like there are hard rules to this and there are not, it's all a series of trade offs and personal preferences. Personally I wouldn't buy monitors of this price range without hearing them with the intended amp in my room. Granted that isn't always possible but I would make sure my dealer has a liberal return policy. I know this is hard, but when it comes to audio, especially transducers you can't get what you want till you know what you want & you can only figure that out by listening. In the end it really doesn't matter what you monitor through and through is the important part. Pros don't listen to speakers they listen through them, it's about knowing what your speakers do right and what they do wrong. Learning monitors takes time and you have to be very careful and know the reality of your reference material! 1/2 an hour in a room with JK, Wiz Savart Jeromemason listening to live tracks and tracks I know taught me more about what they are saying hear than a year on the internet. Most of the mastering guys I know didn't sweat the monitors this much, they went B&W 800 , Avalon Acustics, ATC ,Duntech or Something custom. and learned the speaker in their room. Right! Well... I loved the Amphions when I demoed them with the Amp500. It was only when people started telling me the Amp500 was a rip off that I started looking into Brystons... modded Adcoms by Jim Williams, etc. If anything, I am learning about the ins and outs of amps here now, since this is a subject I never had any reason to research or ask about before only having used Auratones and NS10s before as far as passive monitors... where the amp doesn't matter quite as much. I think I might get the modded Adcoms.... it is looking like the difference between the $3,500 (used) Bryston 4B SST2 and the $700 (including the mod) Adcom GFA-555s may not be great enough to justify that extra $3,000 or so. Just wanted to make sure I wouldn't be cutting myself short... cause if I am going to be cashing in to get the Two18s.. I want to make sure the amp is to that quality as well. Seems like the Adcom is though.
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Post by topshelfmg on Jul 9, 2017 21:55:02 GMT -6
Your acting like there are hard rules to this and there are not, it's all a series of trade offs and personal preferences. Personally I wouldn't buy monitors of this price range without hearing them with the intended amp in my room. Granted that isn't always possible but I would make sure my dealer has a liberal return policy. I know this is hard, but when it comes to audio, especially transducers you can't get what you want till you know what you want & you can only figure that out by listening. In the end it really doesn't matter what you monitor through and through is the important part. Pros don't listen to speakers they listen through them, it's about knowing what your speakers do right and what they do wrong. Learning monitors takes time and you have to be very careful and know the reality of your reference material! 1/2 an hour in a room with JK, Wiz Savart Jeromemason listening to live tracks and tracks I know taught me more about what they are saying hear than a year on the internet. Most of the mastering guys I know didn't sweat the monitors this much, they went B&W 800 , Avalon Acustics, ATC ,Duntech or Something custom. and learned the speaker in their room. But yeah... I am about to pour what I currently have saved in the gear fund into these monitors and wanted to make sure I understanding what is going on with the amps and my options... and how they all differ... since being told the Amp500s aren't worth my time or money. I'm 22 years old (I was lucky enough to start engineering when I was 14 years old) and I am grateful to be doing this at all professionally / full time out of my own studio (in addition to out of one of my mentor's studio), let alone able to make a purchase like this so early on in the grand scheme of things. I also write for an audio magazine so its kinda my job to try to learn all of the ins and outs... haha. So I apologize for being so inquisitive and methodical having just starting to research power amps in general as of yesterday. 99% of what I have learned has been from my mentors... so I definitely get that. But sometimes, getting a mass opinion.. especially when it comes to a purchase.. is something I find beneficial. And I certainly trust RGO more than the other place. After all, that is how I was reminded of the Avocet IIA I am planning on getting. And what helped me decide on my Serpent Audio SB4001, for instance.
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Post by ericn on Jul 10, 2017 8:45:35 GMT -6
Your acting like there are hard rules to this and there are not, it's all a series of trade offs and personal preferences. Personally I wouldn't buy monitors of this price range without hearing them with the intended amp in my room. Granted that isn't always possible but I would make sure my dealer has a liberal return policy. I know this is hard, but when it comes to audio, especially transducers you can't get what you want till you know what you want & you can only figure that out by listening. In the end it really doesn't matter what you monitor through and through is the important part. Pros don't listen to speakers they listen through them, it's about knowing what your speakers do right and what they do wrong. Learning monitors takes time and you have to be very careful and know the reality of your reference material! 1/2 an hour in a room with JK, Wiz Savart Jeromemason listening to live tracks and tracks I know taught me more about what they are saying hear than a year on the internet. Most of the mastering guys I know didn't sweat the monitors this much, they went B&W 800 , Avalon Acustics, ATC ,Duntech or Something custom. and learned the speaker in their room. But yeah... I am about to pour what I currently have saved in the gear fund into these monitors and wanted to make sure I understanding what is going on with the amps and my options... and how they all differ... since being told the Amp500s aren't worth my time or money. I'm 22 years old (I was lucky enough to start engineering when I was 14 years old) and I am grateful to be doing this at all professionally / full time out of my own studio (in addition to out of one of my mentor's studio), let alone able to make a purchase like this so early on in the grand scheme of things. I also write for an audio magazine so its kinda my job to try to learn all of the ins and outs... haha. So I apologize for being so inquisitive and methodical having just starting to research power amps in general as of yesterday. 99% of what I have learned has been from my mentors... so I definitely get that. But sometimes, getting a mass opinion.. especially when it comes to a purchase.. is something I find beneficial. And I certainly trust RGO more than the other place. After all, that is how I was reminded of the Avocet IIA I am planning on getting. And what helped me decide on my Serpent Audio SB4001, for instance. Been there, at some point you have to jump! Understand that the Amphion amp is overpriced in the since that you can buy a Hypex kit for very little and even Jim Williams seams to like them. When you repackage stock them the prices add up. I still don't see the Amphions as a mastering speaker, but as a nearfield I get what people like about them in that role. For the money you won't beat a JW Adcom, it will free up funds for other things, if you buy cheap you can probably turn it for close to even if you decide it's not for you.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 10, 2017 9:24:54 GMT -6
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Post by adamjbrass on Jul 10, 2017 11:02:12 GMT -6
Grace M905 is where I am going by the end of the year
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Post by topshelfmg on Jul 10, 2017 11:31:03 GMT -6
But yeah... I am about to pour what I currently have saved in the gear fund into these monitors and wanted to make sure I understanding what is going on with the amps and my options... and how they all differ... since being told the Amp500s aren't worth my time or money. I'm 22 years old (I was lucky enough to start engineering when I was 14 years old) and I am grateful to be doing this at all professionally / full time out of my own studio (in addition to out of one of my mentor's studio), let alone able to make a purchase like this so early on in the grand scheme of things. I also write for an audio magazine so its kinda my job to try to learn all of the ins and outs... haha. So I apologize for being so inquisitive and methodical having just starting to research power amps in general as of yesterday. 99% of what I have learned has been from my mentors... so I definitely get that. But sometimes, getting a mass opinion.. especially when it comes to a purchase.. is something I find beneficial. And I certainly trust RGO more than the other place. After all, that is how I was reminded of the Avocet IIA I am planning on getting. And what helped me decide on my Serpent Audio SB4001, for instance. Been there, at some point you have to jump! Understand that the Amphion amp is overpriced in the since that you can buy a Hypex kit for very little and even Jim Williams seams to like them. When you repackage stock them the prices add up. I still don't see the Amphions as a mastering speaker, but as a nearfield I get what people like about them in that role. For the money you won't beat a JW Adcom, it will free up funds for other things, if you buy cheap you can probably turn it for close to even if you decide it's not for you. Gotcha! What if I get the Amp500 for a heavy discount? There is a guy selling the Amphion Two18s and Amp500 for $5,000 total. I could ask him to leave out the amp though if he'd be willing to do that, and use that extra savings to still go with the Adcom if that will be my better bet even with that discount. Also, I plan on also getting some mastering towers as well in addition to the Amphions as nearfields. Maybe the top end Tyler's or something.
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Post by topshelfmg on Jul 10, 2017 11:31:40 GMT -6
Thanks man! Hopefully those stick around like a week or so.. I also might try to see if he is willing to just sell the monitors.
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Post by ericn on Jul 10, 2017 18:04:16 GMT -6
Been there, at some point you have to jump! Understand that the Amphion amp is overpriced in the since that you can buy a Hypex kit for very little and even Jim Williams seams to like them. When you repackage stock them the prices add up. I still don't see the Amphions as a mastering speaker, but as a nearfield I get what people like about them in that role. For the money you won't beat a JW Adcom, it will free up funds for other things, if you buy cheap you can probably turn it for close to even if you decide it's not for you. Gotcha! What if I get the Amp500 for a heavy discount? There is a guy selling the Amphion Two18s and Amp500 for $5,000 total. I could ask him to leave out the amp though if he'd be willing to do that, and use that extra savings to still go with the Adcom if that will be my better bet even with that discount. Also, I plan on also getting some mastering towers as well in addition to the Amphions as nearfields. Maybe the top end Tyler's or something. I can't tell you if a deal is right for you, only you know if it's better to grab that deal or wait or use credit. 1/3 off the new price isn't bad for a popular item though.
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