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Post by aamicrophones on May 26, 2017 12:29:10 GMT -6
I've read so many stories regarding both minor and major changes in U47's, 67's, C12's, and others over the years they were made. How can we ever settle on a benchmark sound? I'm curious if you guys have benchmark references. I'd love to collect a few classic U47, M49, U67, C12, AKG 414, and ELAM 251 tracks as references. I use Lyle Lovette's "Road to Ensenada" as my benchmark U67 vocal mic reference, but don't have a classic U47 reference. Can you guys suggest a benchmark U47 track I might use? I'm guessing this is a U47, but have no idea: For, a u47 there's Paul Rodger The Royal Sessions. This was all recorded live in 2014 at the Royal Studios in Memphis. An example of amazing microphone technique from my neighbour Paul who is on the road at the moment singing FREE songs with Deborah Bonham and some members from Bowies band. Paul said, he's having a great time re-visiting the FREE catalogue. Paul doesn't seem to care though if its a U47 or U87. He will happily work with either but he prefers analogue recording to digital. Cheers, Dave I know this is a U47, but it's so processed, it could be any good mic. I think this is a 414: Not great examples, I know, but it's a beginning.
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Post by Guitar on May 26, 2017 12:42:07 GMT -6
Wow, Vincent, those are some great examples.
Also, Martin, this is a great idea to have some benchmark examples to reference. I have already found it way more useful than I thought I would. Especially in comparing to my clone/copy mics to the real things with world class vocalists. This thread could become a permanent resource with examples like these.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 26, 2017 12:55:48 GMT -6
Thanks monkeyxx, I was hoping it would turn out this way. I will use this time and time again, I'm sure.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 26, 2017 12:57:23 GMT -6
Dave, the Paul Rogers video won't play. It says that it's from Colombia, and will not play in this country.
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Post by aamicrophones on May 26, 2017 15:20:54 GMT -6
Hi Martin, that's too bad!!! It plays here in British Columbia?? It a great video as you can see the U47 and that its an original plus Paul's microphone technique as well as the 3-BG singers also have their own U47.
You can also see the MCI console and MCI 24-track tape machine. Its on his Album The Royal Sessions and there was also a video produced.
In haste, I am off for the weekend taking a break from the soldering iron, microphones and mixing console. I will try to pull it up when I get back or I will just send you a link to a dropbox file of it when I return early next week.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by aamicrophones on May 26, 2017 17:06:12 GMT -6
Hi Martin, try this link for the Paul Rodgers U47 vocals.
Time to hit the road.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 26, 2017 17:12:52 GMT -6
Same thing, "not available in your country". Bummer, but thanks anyway Dave.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 26, 2017 18:59:45 GMT -6
Wow, Vincent, those are some great examples. I actually have a whole playlist on YouTube full of microphone samples and not just the old holy grail mics. The list also includes many tribute mics and clones that I thought sounded great.
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Post by bossanova on Aug 24, 2021 11:32:00 GMT -6
I wouldn't go by music video shoots for studio mic choice. Also I would add the U87 to this list. And maybe the SM7 and SM58. For a 251 vocal I might suggest Beck's "The Golden Age." For a U47 vocal I might suggest Thom Yorke's 'Eraser' album, along with the Radiohead album 'In Rainbows' for example the track, "Nude." I'm not questioning the legitimacy of these but I am curious where you found the info? I have only seen very limited info on Nigel's studio techniques and would love to read all that is available. Btw I can totally hear that 251 on golden age. Straight up. Sorry for the necro bump, but the bass player on Sea Change has also said all Beck’s vocals on the album were done with a C12 or a 251. I see it misreported or assumed to be a U47 with some regularity. Hunky Dory by Bowie is mostly or all C12. For The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust, Ken Scott recorded lead vocals with a C12 and 67 simultaneously at 45 degree angles and picked the best one for a given track. Adding to the actual topic of the thread, Mark Knopfler’s vocals on Brothers in Arms are a 47, as well as the lead vocals on the hit version of “Take On Me” by A-Ha. Who’s Next is Roger on a 67. I’d also add Hey Jude and Heart of Gold as benchmark 67 tracks. Trident era Elton is all 67. Pretty much everything by Luther Vandross up to 95-96 is a 414. From then on it’s a c800g. Many of Randy Travis’s hits were recorded with a specific U87 that they really liked on his voice. Blue by Joni Mitchell is mostly if not all U87.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 24, 2021 21:39:01 GMT -6
Good to know bossanova, thanks.
Welcome to the forum!
I'm pretty sure almost all of Paul Roger's hits with Bad Company were done with an SM57!
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Post by chessparov on Aug 25, 2021 2:00:19 GMT -6
They were! Chris
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