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Post by viciousbliss on May 20, 2017 14:09:16 GMT -6
Anyone here try anything by this brand? Tunca has a few freebies that look pretty good. The demos work completely for 20 minutes, so I tried Buster. It's an SSL style bus comp. At one point I tried Duende and liked it but ultimately went with the API2500 from Waves for a while. After reading some comments about Buster, I tried that and for my stuff, it's the best bus comp I've used. The Waves SSL comp was a little too constricting for me. Even at the .1 attack and release settings, Buster still has a lot of life. It seems to tighten up the music in a way that doesn't squash anything for the worse. There's still some tech problems with some of the AO line, but the consensus seems to be that he's done emulations that are as good or better than the established plugs.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 20, 2017 17:20:19 GMT -6
Not sure what type of music or what BPM but .1 attack for a bus compressor is not something I would ever use unless in parallel.. try 10 or 30 Msec attack... .1 release for snap / auto release for glue / 2-3 Db GR add make up gain ( very important )
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 20, 2017 18:52:11 GMT -6
Not sure what type of music or what BPM but .1 attack for a bus compressor is not something I would ever use unless in parallel.. try 10 or 30 Msec attack... .1 release for snap / auto release for glue / 2-3 Db GR add make up gain ( very important ) +1 |
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Post by mrholmes on May 20, 2017 21:08:15 GMT -6
I did try his 1176 free compressor and that thing is not working like any 1176 tool I met.
Tone wise I liked it but if you do an 1776 you should get the compression part right too...
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Post by viciousbliss on May 20, 2017 22:04:40 GMT -6
I think there's some different, rather unorthodox way his plugs work. On the other SSLs like Waves and Duende, yes, I generally stay away from ratios under 10 for the master. There's a pretty good discussion between Tunca and Marc/M2E where they get into the particulars.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 21, 2017 2:29:33 GMT -6
Attack and ratio are two different beasts😀 The SSL ratio is a bit of a different than most comps ratio due to the characteristic of the knee.. The 10:1 is actually a hard knee than 2:1 so by adjusting your threshold you can tailor hard knee compression to be more transparent. This would be better for drum Bus or parallel smashing bs Mixbus...
As always, there is no right and wrong so if you prefer .1msec attack and you get the sound you want by all means I'm not here to say you are incorrect 😀
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Post by viciousbliss on May 21, 2017 3:52:18 GMT -6
Oops, I didn't mean to type ratio lol Think I left the ratio at the default 1.5
I'm always experimenting with these compressors because no one who makes instructional videos ever explains how to get any of these 70s-90s sounds I need to do my covers. Then I transfer that knowledge to client stuff which rarely seems to be attached to any specific era since it sounds so bare bones. Ironically, the Seventh Heaven actually gets me a lot closer than old Lexicon and Eventide stuff that's now in plugin form. Did not like Buster on the vocal bus. Have been using H-Comp working off the tight vocal preset. It seems to always produce a workable result, but sometimes seems wrong. So a few hours ago I tried deactivating H-Comp and just using the bx_console compressor. The results seem like they could be better than H-Comp but the dynamics are less even. Will havta fiddle with it more. Tunca seems to be making so many plugs that he'll probably have every analog piece ever made up by the end of the year. I forget if he made a blue 1176. The other day I tried using CLA76 blue on the backing vocal and CLA76 black on the lead vocal. Sometimes this is a much more ideal pairing than two black. I rarely use the blue CLA76 on lead vocals.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 21, 2017 23:31:34 GMT -6
viciousblissWell it depends on what genre from the 70-90's? Also put the bus comp on when you start the mic and mix into it and as you go keep an eye on threshold and adjust to taste. For me, I label and organize, then group and route, then insert Bus comp either before a faders up static mix with basic panning or right after... ( before any subtractive Eq compression etc ) If you are talking rock music, dig in the threshold with 10 Msec attack , 4:1 ratio, and .1 or . 3 Msec release for that classic ssl snap and punch once you are havering around -3 to -4 Db of gain reduction add make up gain to taste. By doing this you will hear the added snap/ punch. Metal / Rock/ Prog/ Classic Rock : heavier rock Now this depends more on the tempo and how intricate the time signature changes are if any... say you have 150 bpm that's 3/4 or 6/8 or 7/4 these are two drastically different feels for tempo.. Add in several double kick drums and 2 and 4 snares, suddenly 10msec to 30msec doesn't sound wrong on the Mixbus. You want may want a faster attack on the drum Bus or drum parallel. If you were to dig into the threshold with the fastest attack you will hear the peak triggered compression, this will help you hear it. Weird Metal Time Sigs/ "Math Rock"-> still uptempo Now if you have 3/4 or 6/8 7/8 5/8 or any other weird quartered, thirded or halved Time sigs. A faster attack to control the drum hits may be what you want. However you also don't want to squash the mix/ drum Bus. For drums : 4:1 ratio, 1 to 3 Msec attack and a medium to fast release release say .3 to .6 sec. I would not over do the threshold and ratio with the quicker attack, the transients give the punch. -3db max on drum bus, however your mix bus would be fine with a similar 2:1, 10 or 30 Msec attack, release to groove or taste. Singer Songwriter: If you are talking singer, folk, bluegrass, sparse country or jazz. again 10 or 30 Msec attack 2:1 or 4:1 ratio, auto release.. dig in about -2 - 3 Db of max gain reduction and feel the mix gel together almost like you are tucking the mix into bed for nite nite 😂 This is the glue people refer too from the SSL comp. In these genres you want the bus compression to be more invisible so 2:1 or 4:1 max. There is a great bus comp called " the glue " made by cytomic and it's dope if the UAD or Waves is too pricey.. Many think the glue is one of the best SSL bus comp plugs.. Hope this helps
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Post by viciousbliss on May 22, 2017 8:32:01 GMT -6
Thanks, Chase. I've tried The Glue a few times and had a lot of forum exchanges with Andy about the aspects of working at 88/96 and how to identify these bad 32 bit NF1 biquads like the Metric Halo Channel Strip. Buster is definitely the first SSL style comp or really any bus comp I've put on where I go "that's it" pretty much right away. I'm going to try some of these other settings you've suggested. Just started trying to do some fader riding with Waverider again. The Faderport 8 is pretty much useless with PT due to the slow HUI. Waverider uses HUI too, but moves at speeds faster than any human since it's a plug.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 22, 2017 9:35:31 GMT -6
Thanks, Chase. I've tried The Glue a few times and had a lot of forum exchanges with Andy about the aspects of working at 88/96 and how to identify these bad 32 bit NF1 biquads like the Metric Halo Channel Strip. Buster is definitely the first SSL style comp or really any bus comp I've put on where I go "that's it" pretty much right away. I'm going to try some of these other settings you've suggested. Just started trying to do some fader riding with Waverider again. The Faderport 8 is pretty much useless with PT due to the slow HUI. Waverider uses HUI too, but moves at speeds faster than any human since it's a plug. No prob, just try some of the settings with which ever plug you prefer and like the most! |
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Post by viciousbliss on May 22, 2017 18:47:11 GMT -6
Quick note on Holy Comp. Inside of Patchwork in Pro Tools it causes a huge jump in volume during on or offline bounce. The demo is malfunctioning but I got a full version and it works great. It has a clearer, smoother sound than the Puig, IK, or Bomb Factory/Avid. Really does a great job on the vocals I record even though I'm just using it on the Master Fader right after bx console/tapedesk/buster and before Pulstec/SHP/L2. Chase, I tried attack 10 and ratio 4 on some stuff, works great as well. Tunca also showed a screenshot of a lot of other stuff he's working on. DBX902, some API stuff, and I think a Studer. Guess he's been working on these for a long time and just started releasing one after another. Still have to try more of the line.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2021 15:19:34 GMT -6
Just started messing with these. I did a mix with mostly them, and it's pretty dark sounding, kind of grimey. They seem to have a heavy coloration. I'll probably try to hone in on some specific plugins.
Started looking because someone said FET Drive was a great saturator. Indeed it's pretty good. I like KONSOLE, too, in early testing.
One I didn't really like was the Pultec (RARE), it didn't equal UAD or Noise Ash to me, or even IK. So yeah, they're quirky. But there's some character there.
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Post by Guitar on Jun 2, 2021 17:22:59 GMT -6
OK, take two, this mix I did sounds exceptional. After the final mix polish this is a really top sounding set of plugins. There's a lot to digest but they're $5 for the whole bundle.
On vocal, used Vari Moon (EAR 660) and the British Channel (1073), and I couldn't find a reverb so I used IK Sunset on a chamber setting.
Worth a look, recommended.
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Post by wlinart on Jun 3, 2021 23:04:31 GMT -6
There's a lot to digest but they're $5 for the whole bundle. They are now free on his Patreon. Getting all these plugins for free is awesome |
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Post by Guitar on Jun 4, 2021 3:47:32 GMT -6
There's a lot to digest but they're $5 for the whole bundle. They are now free on his Patreon. Getting all these plugins for free is awesome I couldn't decode the website so I paid $5, but they were worth it. Are any that stand out for you? Early for me the Vari Moon / FET compressor chain on vocals is pretty slick. The API (MURIKA), Harrison (Harqules), Studer (STEQ) and 1073 (Brit channel) EQ's are early standouts for me too. Also like the TRANSATURE, Prebox and FETDrive saturators early on. Basically I just went hog wild on a mix with these and it turned out great. |
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Post by wlinart on Jun 4, 2021 8:20:53 GMT -6
I couldn't decode the website so I paid $5, but they were worth it. Are any that stand out for you? Early for me the Vari Moon / FET compressor chain on vocals is pretty slick. The API (MURIKA), Harrison (Harqules), Studer (STEQ) and 1073 (Brit channel) EQ's are early standouts for me too. Also like the TRANSATURE, Prebox and FETDrive saturators early on. Basically I just went hog wild on a mix with these and it turned out great. Normally you would have to pay on patreon to view the posts and access the links, but he just posts it in a way that everyone can view it. And didn't do much mixing with it yet, so can't let you know which ones are the standouts. It was more of a general remark that it's crazy that so many plugins are just free from him. |
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Post by lpedrum on Nov 14, 2021 15:07:19 GMT -6
I just downloaded the Brit Channel (Neve EQ) and DBComp. I like them after a quick listen, especially the EQ, but curious if others here have given them a shot. It's a one man shop and all the plugs are free with the opportunity to support him on Patreon if you wish. He seems to be getting better the more he does this, so I'd ignore earlier naysayers and make your own decision. One more thing--this is as easy as downloading a plugin can be--no ilok, no sign up, no conformation emails, no proving you're a human, no trial period--just a plugin in your DAW in 60 seconds. Here's the latest LINK. |
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