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Post by noah shain on May 22, 2017 12:35:39 GMT -6
50% discounted over their web prices? I must not know the secret handshake. LOL It is by far the most Price-whored Brand on Earth....I would bet my entire stash of gear in this world that NO one makes their full margin on any of this gear, MOST of the time. Do you guys mark em way down Adam?
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Post by ericn on May 22, 2017 12:47:46 GMT -6
50% discounted over their web prices? I must not know the secret handshake. LOL It is by far the most Price-whored Brand on Earth....I would bet my entire stash of gear in this world that NO one makes their full margin on any of this gear, MOST of the time. Not all dealers are created equal, add in the fact that Avid is a Video company and that Video has been dominated by the NY 47th st shops who made their mark in photography dealing in volume, but in the realm of video had to compete with manufacturers who were also wheeling and dealing direct ( how do you think an Oxford ended up at CBS affiliate in Madison WI ? The Sony broadcast direct sales guy was the former head of engineering). At one time Avid was a very protected line, their were 4 dealers who could sell out of territory on TDM and even then we had to ask permission and could only sell turnkey systems and were required to support, but the world changes.
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Post by drbill on May 22, 2017 13:28:59 GMT -6
50% discounted over their web prices? I must not know the secret handshake. LOL It is by far the most Price-whored Brand on Earth....I would bet my entire stash of gear in this world that NO one makes their full margin on any of this gear, MOST of the time. That may be, but out of all the times I've tried to buy gear from "the usual suspects", I never got ANYTHING remotely close to 50% off web advertised price that they all put up.
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Post by adamjbrass on May 23, 2017 7:57:45 GMT -6
It is by far the most Price-whored Brand on Earth....I would bet my entire stash of gear in this world that NO one makes their full margin on any of this gear, MOST of the time. That may be, but out of all the times I've tried to buy gear from "the usual suspects", I never got ANYTHING remotely close to 50% off web advertised price that they all put up. Its almost like a shell game trick....Move boxes over here, sales disappear over there...Avid probably makes lots of backdoor deals, where dealers buy large quantities of items at large wholesale discounts......That is how Sweetwater would be doing it of course, then they hold the price because they can. But I have been beaten on quotes by them!!! They discount it too. They change it around depending on their mood I guess. Like any dealer with a thirst for your cash. Also, used Prices are around 50% below retail value. So then these same dealers sell b-stock items at those used prices to off load the inventory. I shutter to think what the value of this inventory is when Avid decides to change the game on them.
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Post by noah shain on May 24, 2017 10:45:06 GMT -6
FIgured I'd let y'all know I've decided on 48io of the Avid 16x16s WITHOUT an external clock...at least for now.
I started out long ago 😂 as an apogee guy and as I developed a more hybrid/OTB (a hybrid of a hybrid) mix style I switched to 192s because they integrated with pro tools in a more efficient way. Life was easier.
Thats pretty much the reason I'm sticking with Avid through this upgrade. I just don't wanna think about converters when I'm making records. I like thinking about gear and gear choices but converters? No thanks. I don't even understand them. So...Avid. Easy. Back to work.
Thanks for weighing in everyone and thx Bill for the hook up.
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Post by Quint on May 25, 2017 21:46:03 GMT -6
I know you've already decided but I'm surprised nobody mentioned the newest Radar which offers PT functionality?
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 26, 2017 17:43:15 GMT -6
By the way Antelope new PT HD specific interfaces are not sample accurate regarding HW inserts and timeline playback in which Antelope is now blaming PT. They say PT has no way to correct this. I disagree because other companies have it down pat ( Apogee , UA, RME, etc ) I posted saying that I use a third party interface and all my HW inserts and prints always grid up timeline wise and audibly playback wise. Waiting to see if I get an infraction. Last time I posted relevant info in an Antelope thread that went against what their gear pimp propaganda I received two infractions and all my posts were deleted in a few Antelope threads.
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Post by noah shain on May 26, 2017 22:15:52 GMT -6
Picked up the new rig today, dropped an HDX card, a new processor, a pile o ram and a new drive in the old Mac and off we go.
PT integration was what swayed me to stay with Avid hardware. I absolutely don't have time to worry about that. With a studio full of vintage gear, tape machines and paying clients, converters are the last thing I wanna worry about.
I couldn't find any bad reviews of the HD 16x16, although I'm sure they exist. It was not hard at all to find bad reviews of the 192s.
I'm hoping I can hear an improvement. If not, at least I have more io and a way faster, more dependable rig than I had before.
Thanks again for all the input y'all.
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Post by Quint on May 27, 2017 9:04:36 GMT -6
By the way Antelope new PT HD specific interfaces are not sample accurate regarding HW inserts and timeline playback in which Antelope is now blaming PT. They say PT has no way to correct this. I disagree because other companies have it down pat ( Apogee , UA, RME, etc ) I posted saying that I use a third party interface and all my HW inserts and prints always grid up timeline wise and audibly playback wise. Waiting to see if I get an infraction. Last time I posted relevant info in an Antelope thread that went against what their gear pimp propaganda I received two infractions and all my posts were deleted in a few Antelope threads. Yeah, I had posts deleted about Antelope over on the other site too. Antelope has WAY too many support issues for me to ever buy any of their products.
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2017 12:10:49 GMT -6
If you have the two back to back, it takes all of about 10 seconds to hear the difference. I'm sure you'll find it a MAJOR upgrade - in sound, performance and all around. Congrats! How much RAM did you end up with?
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Post by noah shain on May 27, 2017 13:27:11 GMT -6
If you have the two back to back, it takes all of about 10 seconds to hear the difference. I'm sure you'll find it a MAJOR upgrade - in sound, performance and all around. Congrats! How much RAM did you end up with? So stoked. I for sure did my due diligence with that old system so I'm ready for an improvement. I maxed the ram on the new processor. I think that's 64 gigs right? 😬
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2017 13:37:08 GMT -6
yup. 64G. So sweet. Thats what Gary set me up with as well. PT now loads your entire sessions into RAM instead of streaming off the HD. So once loaded, it's blazing fast.
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Post by noah shain on May 27, 2017 14:09:37 GMT -6
yup. 64G. So sweet. Thats what Gary set me up with as well. PT now loads your entire sessions into RAM instead of streaming off the HD. So once loaded, it's blazing fast. I'm staying on PT10 for the time being. Did you move up to 12 Doc? Same thing on 10?
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2017 14:39:25 GMT -6
yup. 64G. So sweet. Thats what Gary set me up with as well. PT now loads your entire sessions into RAM instead of streaming off the HD. So once loaded, it's blazing fast. I'm staying on PT10 for the time being. Did you move up to 12 Doc? Same thing on 10? If your worried keep your boot drive as is and make a USB stick a second boot for 12, once you feel safe reverse so you have 10 just in case!
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2017 15:44:51 GMT -6
yup. 64G. So sweet. Thats what Gary set me up with as well. PT now loads your entire sessions into RAM instead of streaming off the HD. So once loaded, it's blazing fast. I'm staying on PT10 for the time being. Did you move up to 12 Doc? Same thing on 10? Yup. I"m on 12 somethingorother. Yosemite - which is not the greatest OS. I want to move up to Sierra and get whatever version of PT that works best with that. Iv'e heard that's the best Mac OS in quite awhile. I can't remember if 10 loads everything into RAM or not....
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 27, 2017 19:12:21 GMT -6
I'm staying on PT10 for the time being. Did you move up to 12 Doc? Same thing on 10? Yup. I"m on 12 somethingorother. Yosemite - which is not the greatest OS. I want to move up to Sierra and get whatever version of PT that works best with that. Iv'e heard that's the best Mac OS in quite awhile. I can't remember if 10 loads everything into RAM or not.... 10 is the .dpm ( rtas ) to .aax32 transition to 11 and aax64 written just as aax.. Pt 10 is 32 bit and can only access 4gb ram... PT 11 is 64 bit and can access the total ram... I am in PT 10.3.1. Ftw....Have 12.4/12.5 partitioned off EL Cap O S X but now we are in Sierra which will prob change soon 😂
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Post by noah shain on May 27, 2017 19:15:43 GMT -6
Yup. I"m on 12 somethingorother. Yosemite - which is not the greatest OS. I want to move up to Sierra and get whatever version of PT that works best with that. Iv'e heard that's the best Mac OS in quite awhile. I can't remember if 10 loads everything into RAM or not.... 10 is the .dpm ( rtas ) to .aax32 transition to 11 and aax64 written just as aax.. Pt 10 is 32 bit and can only access 4gb ram... PT 11 is 64 bit and can access the total ram... I am in PT 10.3.1. Ftw....Have 12.4/12.5 partitioned off EL Cap O S X but now we are in Sierra which will prob change soon 😂 Chase why you waiting?
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Post by spock on May 27, 2017 19:37:06 GMT -6
Hey y'all So I'm running pro tools 10 on an hd 3 pcix system in a magma with four 192s. I'm starting to have some problems and I think it's time to upgrade. I know...those are NOBODY's favorite converters. Almost any new converter is an upgrade right? I use a lot of i/o and the prospect of a total system upgrade is daunting. Probably 25-30 grand. Ugh... My head keeps going to those Antelope Orion units. Now they have a 32 HD with a digi port. Hmmm... What do you guys think? HD native and and a pair of antelope orion could get me to 64 i/o for under 10 grand. I'm just starting to steel myself for a big hit and I'm not up to speed at all. What do you guys think the move is? Don't forget about the IZ RADAR ADA; sound wonderful.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 27, 2017 19:37:12 GMT -6
10 is the .dpm ( rtas ) to .aax32 transition to 11 and aax64 written just as aax.. Pt 10 is 32 bit and can only access 4gb ram... PT 11 is 64 bit and can access the total ram... I am in PT 10.3.1. Ftw....Have 12.4/12.5 partitioned off EL Cap O S X but now we are in Sierra which will prob change soon 😂 Chase why you waiting? Super stable on PT 10 with HW inserts and prints and can track even without the Apollo Console at 64 samples.. I have 16GB of ram in my 2012 9.1 MBP running Lion OSX..( even tho only pt can use 4 ). I have not tested 12.4 enough to put all my eggs in the basket, yet... Before I could test how stable 12.4 on EL Cap was Sierra was launched. Waves bundle was holding me back too but I have re upped the waves plugs I use for 64 bit so it just testing. Have heard PT 11 had lots of issues but from my use and others experience 12.4 & 12.5 are doing well in the bug and crash areas..
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Post by noah shain on May 27, 2017 19:49:24 GMT -6
Super stable on PT 10 with HW inserts and prints and can track even without the Apollo Console at 64 samples.. I have 16GB of ram in my 2012 9.1 MBP running Lion OSX..( even tho only pt can use 4 ). I have not tested 12.4 enough to put all my eggs in the basket, yet... Before I could test how stable 12.4 on EL Cap was Sierra was launched. Waves bundle was holding me back too but I have re upped the waves plugs I use for 64 bit so it just testing. Have heard PT 11 had lots of issues but from my use and others experience 12.4 & 12.5 are doing well in the bug and crash areas.. Gotcha. I didn't make the jump mostly because I know that a stable PT rig is actually measurable in $ for me so...I tend to ride a stable version until the wheels fall off. What do you mean here: "(even tho only PT can use 4)"?
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Post by noah shain on May 27, 2017 19:53:07 GMT -6
I'm staying on PT10 for the time being. Did you move up to 12 Doc? Same thing on 10? Yup. I"m on 12 somethingorother. Yosemite - which is not the greatest OS. I want to move up to Sierra and get whatever version of PT that works best with that. Iv'e heard that's the best Mac OS in quite awhile. I can't remember if 10 loads everything into RAM or not.... Yosemite not a good OS but is your rig stable? What's your experience been?
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2017 20:21:16 GMT -6
Yup. I"m on 12 somethingorother. Yosemite - which is not the greatest OS. I want to move up to Sierra and get whatever version of PT that works best with that. Iv'e heard that's the best Mac OS in quite awhile. I can't remember if 10 loads everything into RAM or not.... Yosemite not a good OS but is your rig stable? What's your experience been? It's been OK, not great. Need to upgrade, but it's not so bad that I'm chomping at the bit to do it.
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Post by ericn on May 27, 2017 21:07:44 GMT -6
Yosemite not a good OS but is your rig stable? What's your experience been? It's been OK, not great. Need to upgrade, but it's not so bad that I'm chomping at the bit to do it. In the world of PT and OS isn't that almost a ringing endorsement?
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Post by drbill on May 27, 2017 21:15:09 GMT -6
Hey........ Be nice.......
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Post by noah shain on May 27, 2017 22:27:57 GMT -6
Thx again guys for the info.
So is anyone totally happy and running a stable pro tools 12 rig on a Mac? Not that your rig isn't stable Bill but you seem just a touch meh in the OS/PT version combo you're on.
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