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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2017 12:21:27 GMT -6
Changes in UAD v9.2 software
New UAD-2 Plug-Ins from Universal Audio • SSL® 4000 G Bus Compressor Collection
• Pure Plate Reverb
New UAD-2 Plug-Ins from Direct Development Partners • Antares Auto-Tune® Realtime
• Eden® WT800 Bass Amplifier with Unison technology
• Fuchs® Train II Amplifier with Unison technology
New Features • (Moog Multimode Filter XL) Each sequence lane can now start on any step
• (Townsend Labs Sphere) New Classic 251 and Classic 800 Microphones
• (Apollo Twin USB) New Safety Buffer setting for optimizing performance
Other Enhancements and Changes • (SSL E Channel Strip) Resolved audio artifact when engaging pad at high mic gain settings
• (SSL E Channel Strip) Filters behave as expected with all DYN SC settings
• (SSL E Channel Strip) Revised presets prevent level increase when switching from Line to Mic
• (SSL E Channel Strip Legacy) Improved control surface behavior
• (Precision Limiter) Resolved issue causing audio artifact under certain conditions
• (Fuchs Overdrive Supreme 50) Apollo Gain Stage Mode automatically opens FX rack
• (Apollo 8p) Unison Gain Stage Mode plug-in GUI control dots are visible with inputs 5–8
• (Apollo Mac) Resolved Console crash that could occur when removing certain plug-ins
Get UAD v9.2 software • Universal Audio download page
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Post by veggieryan on May 16, 2017 13:02:31 GMT -6
My response to the crap plate plugin release on the UAD forum:
"So let me get this straight... UAD developed new technology to make the BX20 one of the best reverb plugins around, like the MK2 of reverb for UAD and now instead of using that technology to improve their dated and outclassed EMT 140 they release a watered down version of their decade old UAD1 plugin for a 50 dollar discount? The UAD-2 instance chart shows exactly the same DSP usage. The Waves and Liquidsonics plates are leaps and bounds better than the UAD plates and UAD's response is to reskin and take a step backwards. WTF guys. Why even bother? Ugh."
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2017 14:50:12 GMT -6
Not certain where you are getting your info from ? UA says its more a copy/derivation of the 140 and that like Oxide is sort of a tape emulation light, that the new verb is intended for users who don't already have other ua verbs. Don't really see what the problem is: different horses for different courses ?
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Post by mrholmes on May 16, 2017 15:03:58 GMT -6
I don't know what they are thinking @uad but I do not need one of those above? And you?
I am pretty much over saturated with reverb, and EQs. And Amp-Sims SUCK like hell at least to my ear.
I have forgotten. I get Amp Sims for free as well, even if I tell the representative that I did try again and again ... and I don't like them... Ah come on ... you can take a copy with you...OMG...I told you I ..... here you go.....grrrrr....
Crazy world of too much of everything.
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Post by veggieryan on May 16, 2017 15:58:47 GMT -6
Not certain where you are getting your info from ? UA says its more a copy/derivation of the 140 and that like Oxide is sort of a tape emulation light, that the new verb is intended for users who don't already have other ua verbs. Don't really see what the problem is: different horses for different courses ? Incorrect, Oxide is a completely unique and original emulation based on their experience with previous tape plugins. The pure plate is just a reskin of the existing EMT-140 with a dumbed down interface. You can tell this because the DSP usage is EXACTLY the same on the instance chart. So this release is a step backwards when Waves and other companies are focused on actually releasing new and better reverbs. We get stuck with more UAD1 generation crap thanks to some terrible decision from the UAD marketing team. The UAD plate plugins are a decade behind the competition and they should have been using the new techniques used on the BX20 to create an EMT 140 MK2.
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Post by javamad on May 16, 2017 16:01:01 GMT -6
Installed 9.2
Once again when I re-start Logic after an update to Console app all the plugins reset from the hide/visible settings I had in the Logic Plugin Manager. A First World problem but such a hassle ....
I don't get Realtime Autotune ... it just sounds like a bad idea and the demo is totally lame. Why not just get someone to sing properly? Maybe I'm gettin' old :-)
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Post by javamad on May 16, 2017 16:03:48 GMT -6
Not certain where you are getting your info from ? UA says its more a copy/derivation of the 140 and that like Oxide is sort of a tape emulation light, that the new verb is intended for users who don't already have other ua verbs. Don't really see what the problem is: different horses for different courses ? Incorrect, Oxide is a completely unique and original emulation based on their experience with previous tape plugins. The pure plate is just a reskin of the existing EMT-140 with a dumbed down interface. You can tell this because the DSP usage is EXACTLY the same on the instance chart. So this release is a step backwards when Waves and other companies are focused on actually releasing new and better reverbs. We get stuck with more UAD1 generation crap thanks to some terrible decision from the UAD marketing team. The UAD plate plugins are a decade behind the competition and they should have been using the new techniques used on the BX20 to create an EMT 140 MK2. Looking at this from a business perspective, I think this is a move to have more UAD-exclusive plugins. As in, not Softube. SO much of the recent releases have been Softube which only stay exclusive to UAD for a very short time. I would expect to see a couple more pure UA plugins this year.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 16, 2017 16:08:51 GMT -6
How does she sound? New and improved? Transformer output option? Who has demoed it? Has anyone used this against their StamSA4000? What about the waves bus comp ?
Seriously, I don't understand two releases for one SSL bundle? Seems lazy to me...Did they think the Townsend and amps sims wouldn't garner enough traffic/ attention? They could have release the E channel and G bus Comp together and have people buy the bundle at a better price.. more sales = more revenue even if a lower profit margin... Didn't UAD just make that a new rule no more cheap updates if you own legacy? Why would I pay full price for updates ?
Agree with VeggieRyan, some of the RVerb Plates sound awesome too, and those are very old. The bx20 was huge hit, why not continue improving upon a similar concept and take it further into a new emu or new future quasi verb..
Feel like the Townsend mic train ran out of gas / steam. That thing was insanely popular from kickstarter on but haven't heard much since I do know I saw tests where the VMS and Townsend were compared and Townsend only modeled a certain harmonic and applied to all mic models 🤦♂️
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Post by javamad on May 16, 2017 16:13:02 GMT -6
My response to the crap plate plugin release on the UAD forum: "So let me get this straight... UAD developed new technology to make the BX20 one of the best reverb plugins around, like the MK2 of reverb for UAD and now instead of using that technology to improve their dated and outclassed EMT 140 they release a watered down version of their decade old UAD1 plugin for a 50 dollar discount? The UAD-2 instance chart shows exactly the same DSP usage. The Waves and Liquidsonics plates are leaps and bounds better than the UAD plates and UAD's response is to reskin and take a step backwards. WTF guys. Why even bother? Ugh." Response from UA over on the UAForum "... Pure Plate is based on what we know about plate reverbs and is very similar to the EMT 140. Sonically there isn't a lot of variation, so if you already own the 140 you probably don't need Pure Plate. It's most appealing to folks that don't yet have a great reverb and want to get into it for less. Thanks for the question! -GK Gannon Kashiwa"
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 16, 2017 16:22:33 GMT -6
I am a little confused I thought everyone just put Auto Tune as an insert in the DAW and recorded? Even in 2010 on my non pro audio windows computer I could record people and myself fine with auto tune and verb and delay at 128 buffer, 64 worked stable enough as well.. 😀
I guess the Auto Tune was the only thing holding UAD back from truly being an alternative to HDX?
Many of us own Auto Tune already and upgrading natively thru Antares or 3rd party retailer to the newest bundle won't even be $249.. Why would I buy Auto tune Real Time for $249 and have it eat up precious UAD DSP when I can upgrade my native AT for probably 1/4 - 1/2 of that $249...
Why does it look like and function similar to auto tune 5? Looks dated or should I say " vintage " 😂😎
Did they not change the g comp GUI? On the UA site it looks the same 😀
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Post by swurveman on May 16, 2017 16:59:13 GMT -6
My response to the crap plate plugin release on the UAD forum: "So let me get this straight... UAD developed new technology to make the BX20 one of the best reverb plugins around, like the MK2 of reverb for UAD and now instead of using that technology to improve their dated and outclassed EMT 140 they release a watered down version of their decade old UAD1 plugin for a 50 dollar discount? The UAD-2 instance chart shows exactly the same DSP usage. The Waves and Liquidsonics plates are leaps and bounds better than the UAD plates and UAD's response is to reskin and take a step backwards. WTF guys. Why even bother? Ugh." And the Waves Abbey Road Plate is less expensive than both. Glad I don't have all my eggs in the UAD basket.
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Post by ragan on May 16, 2017 17:01:30 GMT -6
Not certain where you are getting your info from ? UA says its more a copy/derivation of the 140 and that like Oxide is sort of a tape emulation light, that the new verb is intended for users who don't already have other ua verbs. Don't really see what the problem is: different horses for different courses ? Incorrect, Oxide is a completely unique and original emulation based on their experience with previous tape plugins. The pure plate is just a reskin of the existing EMT-140 with a dumbed down interface. You can tell this because the DSP usage is EXACTLY the same on the instance chart. So this release is a step backwards when Waves and other companies are focused on actually releasing new and better reverbs. We get stuck with more UAD1 generation crap thanks to some terrible decision from the UAD marketing team. The UAD plate plugins are a decade behind the competition and they should have been using the new techniques used on the BX20 to create an EMT 140 MK2. Uh, same DSP useage doesn't by any stretch prove it's the same. I mean, it may in fact be the same but same DSP uswage doesn't tell you anything other than...it uses the same amount of DSP. Many totally disparate plugs happen to use the same amount of DSP.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 16, 2017 17:01:44 GMT -6
Not certain where you are getting your info from ? UA says its more a copy/derivation of the 140 and that like Oxide is sort of a tape emulation light, that the new verb is intended for users who don't already have other ua verbs. Don't really see what the problem is: different horses for different courses ? Incorrect, Oxide is a completely unique and original emulation based on their experience with previous tape plugins. The pure plate is just a reskin of the existing EMT-140 with a dumbed down interface. You can tell this because the DSP usage is EXACTLY the same on the instance chart. So this release is a step backwards when Waves and other companies are focused on actually releasing new and better reverbs. We get stuck with more UAD1 generation crap thanks to some terrible decision from the UAD marketing team. The UAD plate plugins are a decade behind the competition and they should have been using the new techniques used on the BX20 to create an EMT 140 MK2. You are welcome to your opinion but that is not what UA reps (Gannon) have said at the UA forum. I don't believe that simply comparing dsp usage tells any one very much of anything about the newness or oldness of underlying code that the emulations run: it just tells you how much dsp is used. You may disagree but one of the things UA is doing with things like the Twin and oxide and this new reverb is creating new products for new clients that are less expensive and that have fewer features. This doesn't prevent UA from creating mkii's of its established plugs ins and it is slowly releasing those updates: apparently not quickly enough for you and for many others Pretty certain UAD-1 code does not run on the current chips and processors so there is no way the new verb is uad-1 code.
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Post by veggieryan on May 16, 2017 17:15:41 GMT -6
From the UAD instance chart.
EMT 140 Plate Reverb 14.6% 15.0% 6 6 12 12 24 24 48 48 Pure Plate 14.6% 15% 6 6 12 12 24 24 48 48
You honestly think its a new emulation that uses the exact same DSP down to the fraction of a percent?
Gannon even went so far as to say "EMT 140 owners don't need this"... read between the lines...
Nope. It's the exact same plugin with a different skin. Period.
The UAD EMT 140 was originally released on the UAD-1 platform, so yes, this is literally a UAD-1 plugin being reskinned and sold as something new in 2017... over a decade later....
Meanwhile, other companies are actually coding new and better reverb plugins.
UAD have completely lost the plot.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 16, 2017 17:59:23 GMT -6
What happened to la3a mk2?
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Post by lcr on May 16, 2017 18:09:33 GMT -6
What happened to la3a mk2? This
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Post by ragan on May 16, 2017 18:17:19 GMT -6
From the UAD instance chart. EMT 140 Plate Reverb 14.6% 15.0% 6 6 12 12 24 24 48 48 Pure Plate 14.6% 15% 6 6 12 12 24 24 48 48 You honestly think its a new emulation that uses the exact same DSP down to the fraction of a percent? Gannon even went so far as to say "EMT 140 owners don't need this"... read between the lines... Nope. It's the exact same plugin with a different skin. Period. The UAD EMT 140 was originally released on the UAD-1 platform, so yes, this is literally a UAD-1 plugin being reskinned and sold as something new in 2017... over a decade later.... Meanwhile, other companies are actually coding new and better reverb plugins. UAD have completely lost the plot. I have no opinion on whether it's the EXACT SAME PLUGIN PERIOD and don't particularly care. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which is that you don't know if it's the EXACT SAME PLUGIN PERIOD either. The EQ/De-Esser uses 3.3% per instance. The Neve 33609 uses 3.3% per instance. Are you under the impression that this means they're the EXACT SAME PLUGIN PERIOD?
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 16, 2017 18:51:05 GMT -6
What happened to la3a mk2? This And they don't make the HW re issue anymore...
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Post by kcatthedog on May 17, 2017 3:29:23 GMT -6
peeps at ua forum who are demoing the new ssl comp seem to really be liking it, step up from the legacy. Personally, I really like my stam ssl.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 17, 2017 13:05:51 GMT -6
Gannon said it's a ground up new model ( new ssl bus comp plug )
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Post by Johnkenn on May 19, 2017 16:04:46 GMT -6
Really like that it has a side chain. Finally. And a mix knob. I could get off the couch for this one...but I've got to decide if I want to keep pumping money into the UAD stuff.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 19, 2017 16:47:35 GMT -6
or buy a stam ssl ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 19, 2017 16:53:21 GMT -6
Really like that it has a side chain. Finally. And a mix knob. I could get off the couch for this one...but I've got to decide if I want to keep pumping money into the UAD stuff. Exactly the way I feel about Waves and most plugs in general these days. Not that the stuff isn't good, I've just already got enough stuff that sounds pretty good.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 19, 2017 17:08:25 GMT -6
No side chain or mix knob.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 19, 2017 17:27:54 GMT -6
ah, it does have a side chain input, so you could send it a channel signal (kick?) or technically you could send it a freq from a sine wave plug: no ?
In terms of the continuing to invest in UA plugs. I completely hear you. Personally, I have decided not to buy any more ua plugs.
Final note, the stam is real OB, not code. I have never used a real sll comp but I do really appreciate the stam ssl comp.
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