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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 31, 2017 18:46:37 GMT -6
Jake, I'd bet my interpretation is shared by a lot of people. I don't disagree with you regarding all the companies you mentioned. I don't think it would be unfair to call them "clone" companies., even though it's a fraction bald. All I've been saying is Soyuz is not in that category, or even close as far as I can discern.
Like musicians, there are usually precedents, but there's a huge difference between say.. Sinatra being influenced by Bing Crosby, and being Frank Sinatra Jr. if you see where I'm coming from.
I'll nod to you regarding my poor analogy of tube amps ;-)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2017 13:59:12 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 1, 2017 14:01:39 GMT -6
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but take a look.. He's not talking about the look though, he's talking about the circuit.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2017 14:07:03 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Aug 1, 2017 14:14:23 GMT -6
I realize that. But first of all, body design, dimensions and capsules are as much a part of the design as a circuit, and clearly, this is not a clone. The owner of the company said the circuit is not a copy of a Lolo circuit. I don't have proof and this isn't a court of law, so I'll take him at his word. This is what a clone looks like, gabish my friend ;-) And the WA-414 is also a clone right? Even though the look and capsule design are different from the original?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2017 14:18:08 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 1, 2017 17:30:20 GMT -6
🤦♂️ Martin what are we even talking about anymore? 🤠
How about some more audio or video examples 😎🎚🖥
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Post by rowmat on Aug 1, 2017 18:28:21 GMT -6
🤦♂️ Martin what are we even talking about anymore? 🤠 How about some more audio or video examples 😎🎚🖥 I'm beginning to think Martin is collaborating with the the Russian's. Maybe Soyuz is really a KGB project funded by the Kremlin? I'd be checking Martin's recent travel history to see if he's made any trips to Moscow.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 1, 2017 20:25:43 GMT -6
ahh.. I wish, I have to send back the 0-13's on loan to me next week, sigh...
I'll have a video comparing the KM84 and 0-13 in a couple of weeks. I think some people are going to think something wasn't tracked right, because the difference isn't minor. Chase, If I can get to it, I'll try to post a couple of preview tracks in a day or two.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2017 17:06:37 GMT -6
I just tracked 5 acoustic tracks with the Soyuz 013 and I'm thrilled with the results...Lomo, Homo...who cares...it sounds great...
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Post by ragan on Aug 3, 2017 18:29:36 GMT -6
🤦♂️ Martin what are we even talking about anymore? 🤠 How about some more audio or video examples 😎🎚🖥 I'm beginning to think Martin is collaborating with the the Russian's. Maybe Soyuz is really a KGB project funded by the Kremlin? I'd be checking Martin's recent travel history to see if he's made any trips to Moscow. If he is, you can be sure Mueller knows all about it
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 3, 2017 18:39:48 GMT -6
I'm gonna miss them when they get sent back. I'll buy one when I can. I'll say this now that I've got a pair of KM84's and a pair of 0-13's, I prefer the 0-13. It's fuller in the low end, smoother on top, with considerably more gain.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Aug 3, 2017 21:33:33 GMT -6
I'm gonna miss them when they get sent back. I'll buy one when I can. I'll say this now that I've got a pair of KM84's and a pair of 0-13's, I prefer the 0-13. It's fuller in the low end, smoother on top, with considerably more gain. Martin by reading your multiple statements on soyuz I am a little confused .. Do you actually like the Soyuz mics? Do you prefer the Soyuz over the Neumann? We just need to clear up where you stand for the record...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 4, 2017 7:42:39 GMT -6
Chase, I've always kept an open mind regarding these things. I'm the type that's not much moved by hype. Sure, I'll look at something because of it, but that won't change my opinion one way or another. I'm just like that. If someone took an old mic that came with a 35 year old cassette recorder and it sounded better than something I had, I'd use it. Case in point, I just got the little iLoud micro-monitor speakers. Big time engineers are touting it, and I heard it for a few seconds in a giant store, so I couldn't really tell how good they were. Although impressive for their size, I just don't think I can mix on them, so they'll probably go back to the store tomorrow.
Now, as to Soyuz, I accidentally happened upon the 0-17 tube LDC before there was a single article or testimonial online. I was in a booth where there were five high end preamps to choose and around 25 high end mics to audition. I tried the Neumann U87AI, the Telefunken AR51, AK47, Copperhead, Mojave, Blue, and maybe a couple more. I noticed the Soyuz, and asked, "what's that?". The sales guy knew little of it, so I asked to try it, and I instantly knew it was high end and frankly, it sounded better than all of those mics. When I was told it was $3,500, I wasn't surprised. I wished it was under 2G's so I could afford it.
I met the guys from Soyuz at AES a few years back, and was able to get loaners to do the videos. It was fun and frustrating, because I can't afford them myself. I've posted about them to alert my online friends about something I think is worth their attention, mainly to give back something for all the help I've been given.
Being a Neumann user for so many years, finding a competitive and potentially equal or better mic was unexpected. At the shootout I attended in Brooklyn two weeks ago, the 0-17 was the preferred choice of over 20 people for a male and female vocalist . It was chosen over the U87 and U67. The 0-13 shined in the SDC comparisons. I'm not saying the 0-17 is better than a U67, I'm saying it's in that class, and for those looking for that level of sound quality by researching and trying all sorts of pricey clones and mods, they'd do well to look at these.
So yes, I like the Soyuz mics. I wish I could afford them, and hope I can at some point. I would absolutely choose the 0-13 over a KM84, and definitely prefer the 0-19 FET to the U87AI. Both those mics cost around 40% less. For me, I'd have to try the Max Mod U67 to see if I preferred that to the Soyuz 0-17. At the shootout, I would choose the 0-17 over that U67, but I know from being in a studio with the U47, M49, U67 and C12, the U67 is my holy grail sound, so I'd have to have both side by side at my place for a little while to really know which one suits me best.
I'd love to try the Chandler REDD mic too, who knows, maybe that thing is the 47, 67, and 251 all rolled into one, and you don't need a preamp. Until I have a few of these wonderful mics myself, I'll have to settle for window shopping. I'm very interested in the upcoming Stam U47. It'll be affordable, and if my experience with the Stam SA-73 in any indication, his U47 will rock.
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 4, 2017 19:13:14 GMT -6
I heard some really nice clips of the 013 today. It's made me really consider picking up a pair. Very big sound for an SDC. It reminded me of an MDC.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 4, 2017 21:44:38 GMT -6
Vincent came by my place today, and we had a great time listening to some great mics. I was a little tight for time, or we'd have done something with the 0-13's too. I have them until next week. The really cool thing about the 0-13 is that if you want a sound that's closer to the KM84, all you do is take the channel EQ and HPF until the tone is close. The interesting thing that becomes obvious, is you can make the 0-13 sound quite similar to the 84, but you can't make the 84 do what the 0-13 does.
I just noticed John's changed my handle, and I must admit, I'm guilty. I've been sneaking around with those Russian mics for a while now.
Funny, the 0-17 is so lovely, it's clearly a heavyweight and can run the big boys, but it's the little 0-13 SDC that stuns me. I really didn't think it was possible for me to like something more than the KM84, I know it and love how it sounds, but the 0-13 actually trounced it in my place, which is kind of unbelievable, but there it is.
Vincent heard the tracks, he can speak to it as well.
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Post by mikec on Aug 5, 2017 7:01:43 GMT -6
Like Martin I am a big fan of the Soyuz mics having a 0-17 and matched pair of 0-11s. These have pretty much cured any mic lust I have. I've had other singer/song writers in my humble studio who have also commented that they've never sounded better than with these mics. The one time I reached out to the Soyuz guys they were also great. My 0-17 had developed a very slight noise which I figured was most likely the tube so after switching out the tube with the extra one that comes standard with the mic everything was back to it's pristine normal. I then reached out to Soyuz on their website just to ask where I could purchase a back up tube, and they let me know they would just send me one which I received in about 3 days. Other than wanting to try the Chandler mic since I have their Redd 47s and RS124s and am very happy with them, I am mic lust free.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2017 16:58:15 GMT -6
Great to hear mikec. Vincent's Max Mod Neumann U67 was superb. It's definitely world class as is the 0-17, and probably the Chandler Redd too. At that level, it's about taste and fit, they're all top shelf.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 5, 2017 18:04:05 GMT -6
I really wanna hear the 017...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 5, 2017 20:17:31 GMT -6
It's Smoooove.. and still articulate
I did this track with the 0-17 in my living room with the Dizengoff D4. I wish I could have heard it with the Stam SA-73, I'm digging it.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/martin-john-butler/long-road-back-master
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 5, 2017 21:04:35 GMT -6
I really wanna hear the 017... Soyuz has some promotion through Vintage King where you can try their mics out. I just signed up. I just need to finalize it with them. soyuzmicrophones.com/su-017.html
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 9, 2017 10:57:13 GMT -6
I'd love to try the Chandler REDD mic too, who knows, maybe that thing is the 47, 67, and 251 all rolled into one, and you don't need a preamp. Having tried this mic out, it is worth the time! Its a radical departure from other mics, but gives off a vibe of "handle everyone, and then some", whereby it emits the characteristics of "many great and timeless things" all at once. The Hugeness of a 47 in the lows, the sweetness of the M49 in the mids, the regal, staunch clarity of the C12/ELAM, and the magically Delicious compression of the REDD47. Yes this mic sounds delicious without the preamp in the way, but with varying options, you can stack more tube sound on it and it becomes even more huge. At least, when patched into my preamps, this mic continued to sound more finished. And by finished I mean the multi-stages of gain creating a compressed and equalized final product. This mic has a "superstar" vibe.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 9, 2017 14:08:14 GMT -6
Good to know Adam, thanks for that.
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Post by wiz on Aug 9, 2017 21:24:45 GMT -6
They are going to send me a pair to demo...
I am going to use them up against my KM184s on overheads, and I will also try it against my km84 on guitar, vocals and percussion...
Wont be for a couple of weeks I reckon till I get them...
If I really like them, I will sell the KM184s and buy them
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 9, 2017 21:31:58 GMT -6
Great news Wiz. I'm looking forward to your impressions.
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