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Post by ragan on May 12, 2017 12:14:19 GMT -6
How did they get 8 1073 Unison on just a Quad to track with ? Can you track with 8 UAD Neve if just Unison is enabled? But then that's not a true a to b comparison because the real Neve goes thru Eq even if flat... I thought on an 8p only like 5 preamps could access the dsp before loadlock kicked in? You can track with 8 UAD 1073 at 44.1. You can also have the EQ engaged or not engaged.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 12, 2017 12:21:27 GMT -6
How did they get 8 1073 Unison on just a Quad to track with ? Can you track with 8 UAD Neve if just Unison is enabled? But then that's not a true a to b comparison because the real Neve goes thru Eq even if flat... I thought on an 8p only like 5 preamps could access the dsp before loadlock kicked in? You can track with 8 UAD 1073 at 44.1. You can also have the EQ engaged or not engaged. Ahhhhh that's what it is only at 44.1 you are the man thanks 🙏 I knew I had known of some wonky thing wit UAD Unison and you hit the nail on the head... I was already google searching away 😂 Thanks for saving me time bro 👍
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Post by ragan on May 12, 2017 12:22:47 GMT -6
You can track with 8 UAD 1073 at 44.1. You can also have the EQ engaged or not engaged. Ahhhhh that's what it is only at 44.1 you are the man thanks 🙏 I knew I had known of some wonky thing wit UAD Unison and you hit the nail on the head... I was already google searching away 😂 Thanks for saving me time bro 👍 There's an instance chart on UAD site that tells you how many instances of each plug you can get at the various sample rates.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 12:49:06 GMT -6
UAD cards are pci-e and can be put in a slot or run in tbolt chassis. They also have FW and usb.
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Post by jeromemason on May 12, 2017 12:50:24 GMT -6
I kind of felt like the bass seemed more defined and less flabby with the Neve. Snare had more snap with the UAD and I still kind of get that extremely slight harsh thing going on with the UAD, but, if you can't make a record with the UAD stuff, it's not the gear and what if you buy 2 chromas and push your 2 buss mix through that ?
Not really sure what you mean?
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 12:51:54 GMT -6
But the instance chart doesn't; tell you how many plugs ins a sharc chip can support for tracking.
For the 8p each channel has half of a sharc chip available for uad plugs, for a quad Apollo each channel with pres has a full sharc chip.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 12, 2017 12:57:26 GMT -6
But the instance chart doesn't; tell you how many plugs ins a sharc chip can support for tracking. For the 8p each channel has half of a sharc chip available for uad plugs, for a quad Apollo each channel with pres has a full sharc chip. Does this change how many UAD 1073 you can track with at 44.1 or just the higher sample rates like Ragan had mentioned?
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Post by swurveman on May 12, 2017 13:05:57 GMT -6
UAD cards are pci-e and can be put in a slot or run in tbolt chassis. They also have FW and usb. To be clear: I own a UAD Quad PCIE card for my plugins. However, I have found nothing that says I can connect my RME AES 32 PCIE card and an Apollo 16. If there is, do you have a link, because I can't seem to find anything other than for an Apollo 16 to work with a Windows 10 PC I would need a Thunderbolt connection via USB-C 3.0 here
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 12, 2017 13:18:32 GMT -6
UAD cards are pci-e and can be put in a slot or run in tbolt chassis. They also have FW and usb. To be clear: I own a UAD Quad PCIE card for my plugins. However, I have found nothing that says I can connect my RME AES 32 PCIE card and an Apollo 16. If there is, do you have a link, because I can't seem to find anything other than for an Apollo 16 to work with a Windows 10 PC I would need a Thunderbolt connection via USB-C 3.0 hereDoes you RME have an aes output if so plug it into the Apollo AES input and choose which to clock off of.. maybe I am misunderstanding you but the I assume you want both converters to work in tandem ...
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Post by swurveman on May 12, 2017 13:24:57 GMT -6
To be clear: I own a UAD Quad PCIE card for my plugins. However, I have found nothing that says I can connect my RME AES 32 PCIE card and an Apollo 16. If there is, do you have a link, because I can't seem to find anything other than for an Apollo 16 to work with a Windows 10 PC I would need a Thunderbolt connection via USB-C 3.0 hereDoes you RME have an aes output if so plug it into the Apollo AES input and choose which to clock off of.. maybe I am misunderstanding you but the I assume you want both converters to work in tandem ... I don't own an Apollo. Just wondering about compatibility as I'm thinking about getting ad/da that is more colored. My RME has an AES input. My chain is Lynx Aurora 16 AES out-> RME AES-32 PCIe AES in. I have two of each for 32 i/0 of ad/da.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 18:30:17 GMT -6
To get a definitive answer I would check with UA CS!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 18:33:38 GMT -6
With a quad apollo 8p you get a max of 8 73: 1 per channel.
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Post by bluegrassdan on May 12, 2017 19:01:42 GMT -6
Would be nice to hear the real Neves through some better converters vs the UA stuff. THEN you would hear an even bigger difference.
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Post by sozocaps on May 13, 2017 10:27:18 GMT -6
I've listened on Byer 770 Pro 250 ohm , custom molded CTM in ears, and Focal Solo's in a very treated room with IsoAcoustic stands.
I mean everything take a ride off the cliff for the worse... Even listen to the timber of the hi-hat and cymbals, it's like going from nice bright alive Zildjian to some off brand. Listen to the kick during the crescendo's you hear all the detail of the batter hitting the head then on the emulation its all gone.
MAYBE I'm being critical you can use this and struggle with the low and lifelessness BUT to me it's the difference between amateur and master.
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Post by drbill on May 13, 2017 10:47:14 GMT -6
Re: coloration, I think the Apollo ADC does a kind of 'warming' thing a little, at the expense of detail. A little. My experience with hardware these days is on the inserts of my DAW and on the 2 Bus of the DAW. That experience is that the hardware brings not only warmth, but also an incredible detail and 3D wideness at the same time. On one instrument, it's apparent. Across a dozen or two dozen, it's mind altering. I love plugins, and I use em - but it's less and less and less these days. Putting on a plugin rarely makes me feel like the dimensionality is improved, even though they accomplish their job. Dropping on a piece of hardware always makes me smile. I recently had to remix an older project. That's rare for me. In listening to my old ITB mixes in comparison to the new ones, the level of detail, width, and clarity (on the new ones) was embarrassing. It was like pulling TWO blankets off the speakers. And the new mixes are not what I'd call "bright", but they are open and so detailed. Honestly, I was....WTF.....what was I hearing. To me, listening to an individual source, I can think that plugins are close. Very close sometimes. But across an entire mix, I"m hit with the realization that plugins are not going to get there in my lifetime. It's why I'm focusing my buying and design in that direction - hardware.
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Post by ragan on May 13, 2017 10:51:10 GMT -6
Re: coloration, I think the Apollo ADC does a kind of 'warming' thing a little, at the expense of detail. A little. My experience with hardware these days is on the inserts of my DAW and on the 2 Bus of the DAW. That experience is that the hardware brings not only warmth, but also an incredible detail and 3D wideness at the same time. On one instrument, it's apparent. Across a dozen or two dozen, it's mind altering. I love plugins, and I use em - but it's less and less and less these days. Putting on a plugin rarely makes me fee like the dimensionality is improved, even though they accomplish their job. Dropping on a piece of hardware always makes me smile. I recently had to remix an older project. That's rare for me. In listening to my old ITB mixes in comparison to the new ones, the level of detail, width, and clarity (on the new ones) was embarrassing. It was like pulling TWO blankets off the speakers. And the new mixes are not what I'd call "bright", but they are open and so detailed. Honestly, I was....WTF.....what was I hearing. To me, listening to an individual source, I can think that plugins are close. Very close sometimes. But across an entire mix, I think that plugins are not going to get there in my lifetime. It's why I'm focusing my buying and design in that direction. I think you must be misunderstanding my post? I'm with you on all of ^^^^, completely. But we were talking about Apollo conversion. The post you quoted was me saying that the Apollo ADC has a kind of "warming" vibe to it, at the expense of detail. It's a tad bloated in the mids/low mids. Keep in mind I still think it is very good ADC, just noting that after comparing it to the Symphony MKII. I wasn't talking about hardware or plugins at all.
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Post by drbill on May 13, 2017 10:52:28 GMT -6
Ragan, I wasn't arguing with your assessment. Just used it as a jumping off point for some thoughts I had rambling around in my brain. My bad. I should have just put them down without a quote.
I get ya!!! Conversion is important!!!! Cheers, bp
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Post by sozocaps on May 13, 2017 11:04:07 GMT -6
But this is a fair comparison (OF THE UNISON).... BUT with say Prism , Apogee, or the new LYNX (n) ...MAYBE you could get more detail and less color....
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Post by ragan on May 13, 2017 11:10:25 GMT -6
Ragan, I wasn't arguing with your assessment. Just used it as a jumping off point for some thoughts I had rambling around in my brain. My bad. I should have just put them down without a quote. I get ya!!! Conversion is important!!!! Cheers, bp Gotcha. And I agree with what you said, completely. I use as much hardware as I can afford. I've got a handful of hannels of good HW EQ and comp and I print almost every track through it. It was only the quoting of my ADC comment that confused me.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 13, 2017 11:23:22 GMT -6
I've listened on Byer 770 Pro 250 ohm , custom molded CTM in ears, and Focal Solo's in a very treated room with IsoAcoustic stands. I mean everything take a ride off the cliff for the worse... Even listen to the timber of the hi-hat and cymbals, it's like going from nice bright alive Zildjian to some off brand. Listen to the kick during the crescendo's you hear all the detail of the batter hitting the head then on the emulation its all gone. MAYBE I'm being critical you can use this and struggle with the low and lifelessness BUT to me it's the difference between amateur and master. Huh...I don't hear it...
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Post by Johnkenn on May 13, 2017 11:27:19 GMT -6
My experience with hardware these days is on the inserts of my DAW and on the 2 Bus of the DAW. That experience is that the hardware brings not only warmth, but also an incredible detail and 3D wideness at the same time. On one instrument, it's apparent. Across a dozen or two dozen, it's mind altering. I love plugins, and I use em - but it's less and less and less these days. Putting on a plugin rarely makes me fee like the dimensionality is improved, even though they accomplish their job. Dropping on a piece of hardware always makes me smile. I recently had to remix an older project. That's rare for me. In listening to my old ITB mixes in comparison to the new ones, the level of detail, width, and clarity (on the new ones) was embarrassing. It was like pulling TWO blankets off the speakers. And the new mixes are not what I'd call "bright", but they are open and so detailed. Honestly, I was....WTF.....what was I hearing. To me, listening to an individual source, I can think that plugins are close. Very close sometimes. But across an entire mix, I think that plugins are not going to get there in my lifetime. It's why I'm focusing my buying and design in that direction. I think you must be misunderstanding my post? I'm with you on all of ^^^^, completely. But we were talking about Apollo conversion. The post you quoted was me saying that the Apollo ADC has a kind of "warming" vibe to it, at the expense of detail. It's a tad bloated in the mids/low mids. Keep in mind I still think it is very good ADC, just noting that after comparing it to the Symphony MKII. I wasn't talking about hardware or plugins at all. How would you define "warm?" I think of warm more as mid to upper mid. Don't know why, I guess I just associate upper mids with "heat" or "hot" - therefore "warm." I definitely hear that bloat and lack of definition in the lower mids too...like - 200-500Hz. Maybe "boxy?"
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Post by Johnkenn on May 13, 2017 11:28:40 GMT -6
I've listened on Byer 770 Pro 250 ohm , custom molded CTM in ears, and Focal Solo's in a very treated room with IsoAcoustic stands. I mean everything take a ride off the cliff for the worse... Even listen to the timber of the hi-hat and cymbals, it's like going from nice bright alive Zildjian to some off brand. Listen to the kick during the crescendo's you hear all the detail of the batter hitting the head then on the emulation its all gone. MAYBE I'm being critical you can use this and struggle with the low and lifelessness BUT to me it's the difference between amateur and master. Maybe we're describing the same thing, though...I'm hearing more boxy bloat and you're hearing less detail. Maybe we're describing the same thing.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 13, 2017 11:47:18 GMT -6
Conversion is one thing but the thread is a little confused? UA unison pres can only be run with an apollo. If you want different conversion you can't change the apollo AD but could send the signal digitally to another box for DA.
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Post by sozocaps on May 13, 2017 11:59:54 GMT -6
I've listened on Byer 770 Pro 250 ohm , custom molded CTM in ears, and Focal Solo's in a very treated room with IsoAcoustic stands. I mean everything take a ride off the cliff for the worse... Even listen to the timber of the hi-hat and cymbals, it's like going from nice bright alive Zildjian to some off brand. Listen to the kick during the crescendo's you hear all the detail of the batter hitting the head then on the emulation its all gone. MAYBE I'm being critical you can use this and struggle with the low and lifelessness BUT to me it's the difference between amateur and master. Maybe we're describing the same thing, though...I'm hearing more boxy bloat and you're hearing less detail. Maybe we're describing the same thing. Agree.... ^^^ I would call it that too. I just HATE all the low end added and lack of ALIVE brightness that I so crave on recordings....
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Post by ragan on May 13, 2017 12:33:01 GMT -6
I think you must be misunderstanding my post? I'm with you on all of ^^^^, completely. But we were talking about Apollo conversion. The post you quoted was me saying that the Apollo ADC has a kind of "warming" vibe to it, at the expense of detail. It's a tad bloated in the mids/low mids. Keep in mind I still think it is very good ADC, just noting that after comparing it to the Symphony MKII. I wasn't talking about hardware or plugins at all. How would you define "warm?" I think of warm more as mid to upper mid. Don't know why, I guess I just associate upper mids with "heat" or "hot" - therefore "warm." I definitely hear that bloat and lack of definition in the lower mids too...like - 200-500Hz. Maybe "boxy?" Like when I compared the Symphony MKII to the BF Apollo on drum OH. At first I almost liked the Apollo more (I was listening blind and didn't know which was which). It almost seemed beefier. More air moving the cones in the low mid/mids. But then I started to realize that I couldn't hear the detail as much. The nuance, variation of those low mid transients like the smack of the kick or the whack of the snare. The Symphony just seemed to have both more information and sound more natural. Almost like the low mids/mids on he Apollo were a touch blurry. AGAIN. They're not worlds apart, but what differences I heard were of this variety. Re: "Warm", yeah that's kind of vague. ^^^ is what I was trying to get at.
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