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Post by wiz on May 11, 2017 18:01:44 GMT -6
I thought this was well done.. and interesting.
Good song, good performance, great guitar solo.... probably as good as test as I would do here, setup wise...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2017 18:40:47 GMT -6
Great job I heard what I expected as a 5 year apollo UA user. I expected the sonics to be very close but the real gear to have an additional dimensionality, which I did hear. They make the point well I thought that for the difference in price apollo stands up well. Spot on wiz, awesome solo !!
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Post by donr on May 11, 2017 20:19:55 GMT -6
Great test. It is impressive what the Apollo alone can do. Virtual Gear Online. Was curious as to where the real Neve's made the most difference in vibe and the 'being there' thing. Drum mics? Bass? All of em? Wasn't that different, but it was different. I'd like to hear the test where the mixer swapped the Apollo and real on individual instruments to hear how that impacted the mix.
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Post by wiz on May 11, 2017 21:59:10 GMT -6
My first reaction, was that the UAD stuff was "tighter" sounding and more "focused"
Then it kinda swayed to the Neve had more "vibe".
If I was being honest, and it was a blind test...I probably would pick the UAD version.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by donr on May 11, 2017 22:54:05 GMT -6
My first reaction, was that the UAD stuff was "tighter" sounding and more "focused" Then it kinda swayed to the Neve had more "vibe". If I was being honest, and it was a blind test...I probably would pick the UAD version. cheers Wiz Me too. I always buy stuff that depreciates.
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Post by Vincent R. on May 11, 2017 23:02:39 GMT -6
Nice.
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Post by jeromemason on May 12, 2017 1:05:51 GMT -6
My first reaction, was that the UAD stuff was "tighter" sounding and more "focused" Then it kinda swayed to the Neve had more "vibe". If I was being honest, and it was a blind test...I probably would pick the UAD version. cheers Wiz I kind of felt like the bass seemed more defined and less flabby with the Neve. Snare had more snap with the UAD and I still kind of get that extremely slight harsh thing going on with the UAD, but, if you can't make a record with the UAD stuff, it's not the gear
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Post by wiz on May 12, 2017 1:42:56 GMT -6
My first reaction, was that the UAD stuff was "tighter" sounding and more "focused" Then it kinda swayed to the Neve had more "vibe". If I was being honest, and it was a blind test...I probably would pick the UAD version. cheers Wiz I kind of felt like the bass seemed more defined and less flabby with the Neve. Snare had more snap with the UAD and I still kind of get that extremely slight harsh thing going on with the UAD, but, if you can't make a record with the UAD stuff, it's not the gear When you consider the price points of the two systems.... 8) makes me look around the room.... LOL Somebody send me an apollo 8p to demo! Cheers Wiz
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Post by bricejchandler on May 12, 2017 5:22:34 GMT -6
Man I wasn't expecting to hear such a huge difference. The Neve sounded way clearer to me, more 3D and better separation. The UAD, though brighter on somethings sounds really veiled to me, with the Neve I'm there in the room.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 12, 2017 7:21:19 GMT -6
That doesn't particularly make me want to sell my Apollo
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 7:53:02 GMT -6
When you consider the price points of the two systems.... 8) makes me look around the room.... LOL Somebody send me an apollo 8p to demo! Cheers Wiz An 8p is around $2500 usd, it comes with quad processing (4 chips for tracking with ua, including unison), an octo card (8 chips for mixing ) is on sale for $1000 ( so now you have 12 chips for mixing) and they were using less than 10 UA plugs, which would cost you about$1200, with the registration deal. So, all in under 5 grand.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 7:54:46 GMT -6
My first reaction, was that the UAD stuff was "tighter" sounding and more "focused" Then it kinda swayed to the Neve had more "vibe". If I was being honest, and it was a blind test...I probably would pick the UAD version. cheers Wiz I kind of felt like the bass seemed more defined and less flabby with the Neve. Snare had more snap with the UAD and I still kind of get that extremely slight harsh thing going on with the UAD, but, if you can't make a record with the UAD stuff, it's not the gear and what if you buy 2 chromas and push your 2 buss mix through that ?
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Post by swurveman on May 12, 2017 8:30:07 GMT -6
For you Apollo owners a couple of questions:
How does the Apollo conversion sound in the colored spectrum, with the Aurora 16 being less colored and the Apogee Symphony being more colored?
I own an Apollo UAD quad. Does that work in conjunction with the Apollo? For example, can I use the Quad to insert UAD plugins into channels while recording with the Apollo?
Thanks to anybody with replies!
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Post by sozocaps on May 12, 2017 10:14:27 GMT -6
OMG are you kidding me... The original sounded amazing....!!! then, @ 12:52 when 2 notes into switching from the hardware to the emulation it sounded like someone put a blanket over the whole thing, It got distant, got super dark and scooped, the bass got super bloated and farty, and the vocals sounded like they were in the next room and someone was holding her nose while she was singing ...
SUX sorry so sux
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Post by kcatthedog on May 12, 2017 10:25:50 GMT -6
For you Apollo owners a couple of questions: How does the Apollo conversion sound in the colored spectrum, with the Aurora 16 being less colored and the Apogee Symphony being more colored? I own an Apollo UAD quad. Does that work in conjunction with the Apollo? For example, can I use the Quad to insert UAD plugins into channels while recording with the Apollo? Thanks to anybody with replies! I have had both gens of Apollo and now have a symphony mkii. Using your example I would say the Apollo is most coloured.
Only on board Apollo dsp can be used to run UA plug ins for tracking, using the UA console gui
Satellites and card ua dsp can only be used for mixing from your daw.
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Post by bricejchandler on May 12, 2017 10:32:53 GMT -6
OMG are you kidding me... The original sounded amazing....!!! then, @ 12:52 when 2 notes into switching from the hardware to the emulation it sounded like someone put a blanket over the whole thing, It got distant, got super dark and scooped, the bass got super bloated and farty, and the vocals sounded like they were in the next room and someone was holding her nose while she was singing ... SUX sorry so six Yeah I felt the same, at that point when they switched it got veiled and glassy. For my taste the apollo sounds like a demo and the original like a record... Maybe if they'd tried different settings and matched by ear maybe it would've been a little closer I don't know. Some people do seem to prefer the Apollo sound, which to me sounds more processed, more modern and I guess I could see how that would appeal to some people.
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Post by jcoutu1 on May 12, 2017 10:34:27 GMT -6
I thought the guitar sounded better through the Apollo, but the vocals were much better through the real Neve.
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Post by terryrocks on May 12, 2017 10:43:37 GMT -6
I'm not a UA user, but an album I helped track last year was mixed by another engineer through those UA plugs and the slate vcc plugs and I thought the mixes ended up sounding dull and in a bad way. Of course, being that I wasn't there for the mix, no telling how much hi end was actually eq-ed out by the mix eng.
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Post by ragan on May 12, 2017 11:40:32 GMT -6
I just listened on phones, couldn't crank up the monitors, but I preferred the 'real' version by a good bit. Especially the vocals.
Re: coloration, I think the Apollo ADC does a kind of 'warming' thing a little, at the expense of detail. A little.
I'm still a big fan of the BF Apollo as an all around piece of gear. Huge bang for the buck. But I couldn't quite get my ears to buy the Unison thing.
Subjective of course.
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Post by swurveman on May 12, 2017 11:54:43 GMT -6
For you Apollo owners a couple of questions: How does the Apollo conversion sound in the colored spectrum, with the Aurora 16 being less colored and the Apogee Symphony being more colored? I own an Apollo UAD quad. Does that work in conjunction with the Apollo? For example, can I use the Quad to insert UAD plugins into channels while recording with the Apollo? Thanks to anybody with replies! I have had both gens of Apollo and now have a symphony mkii. Using your example I would say the Apollo is most coloured.
Only on board Apollo dsp can be used to run UA plug ins for tracking, using the UA console gui
Satellites and card ua dsp can only be used for mixing from your daw.
Thanks. I'm surprised that they didn't have a PCIE option. There are a lot of PC users with Aurora 16's and PCIE cards. I looked at Thunderbolt 3/PC compatibility- where Thunderbolt 3 uses a USB-C connector - and there's the caveat about whether the mobo USB-C port supports Thunderbolt 3. Couldn't find a thing about my mobo and Thunderbolt 3. It sucks that these converter manufacturers are running away from PCie card owners, which work perfectly fine.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 12, 2017 11:57:35 GMT -6
The biggest thing I hear is the stereo image "collapsing" with the plugin stuff. And I question if the UAD mix isn't a hair louder - listen to the switch at 15:01. The Apollo seems to have somewhat of a buildup in the lower mids to me. Like 300-400 Hz...and a little brighter too. The biggest thing being the stereo image.
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I really don't get the "OMG - listen to the differences" crowd. I mean, it's objective, but come on, it's not like the UAD sounds like shit. Couldn't you match some of those things in the mix? The bass, the width, etc. To me, the difference doesn't justify the extra $100K+ we're talking about here. Mix in some hardware elements and I would imagine it could be indistinguishable.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 12, 2017 12:00:16 GMT -6
Do we know what actual HW was used ? ( haven't watched yet )
Feedback is mixed, I wish vids like these would not label the HW and the Apollo plugin mixes... I feel that imparts bias... will watch in a bit... cool thread so far
How did they get 8 1073 Unison on just a Quad to track with ? Can you track with 8 UAD Neve if just Unison is enabled? But then that's not a true a to b comparison because the real Neve goes thru Eq even if flat...
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Post by Johnkenn on May 12, 2017 12:01:32 GMT -6
And a blanket at 12:45 ish? What I hear is the bottom getting bigger/flubbier and the tip top getting brighter. Like it's been hyped at both ends at the detriment of the mids a little.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 12, 2017 12:02:28 GMT -6
Do we know what actual HW was used ? ( haven't watched yet ) Feedback is mixed, I wish vids like these would not label the HW and the Apollo plugin mixes... I feel that imparts bias... will watch in a bit... cool thread so far TOTALLY agree. With the Apollo having the bigger bottom (whether it's volume of tonal hype) I would think many would think the UAD is the real thing.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 12, 2017 12:09:02 GMT -6
How did they get 8 1073 Unison on just a Quad to track with ? Can you track with 8 UAD Neve if just Unison is enabled? But then that's not a true a to b comparison because the real Neve goes thru Eq even if flat...
I thought on an 8p only like 5 preamps could access the dsp before loadlock kicked in?
* UAD instance chart says 8 mono Neve 1073 however doesn't say anything regarding Unison.. maybe I am wrong however I thought there was an issue with UAD DSP allocation and using Unison on all 8p pres...
Edit 2* the labeling is throwing my subjectivity way off
Edit 3 we are watching thru YT so it's lossy and not true representation of the actual audio, would be great to have DL files 🔥
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