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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 4:46:12 GMT -6
wiz 's console mix of Lay Down had this amazing sense of space to it. So much so that I asked how he used his reverbs to get that effect. His answer was Bricasti. Now align this with svart 's advice about buying quality gear once instead of crap twice, particularly with the resale values holding as they do, then a s/h M7 is a great investment if you're competing in the higher end of the audio world (only ever seen one s/h over this way, was sold in no time). Folks like me have to settle for the MX300 lol. I don't drink or smoke...and eat very little junk food....that's where bricasti money can come from 8) cheers Wiz 'course - wasn't challenging the fact you have one, just the fact that many people comment on the quality of your mixes, and so the Bricasti must play a part in that. It's all good ..... for my hobbyist level I can afford one but couldn't justify the price, but if one comes up s/h I might snag it nontheless then you guys better watch out lol
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 6, 2017 7:06:46 GMT -6
dandeurloo , yep I'm familiar with them. I can't find Jim on either and I see a bunch of BIll on IMDB, but don't really know what that means. composer: additional music To me, that means that he wrote some background music in the show/movie. Are they actually his full blown productions in the video or just stuff that he wrote that's being recut elsewhere. Did he fully produce them? Did he mix them? Are they using real instruments or VI's? Is he pushing out big Pimp Dawg tracks like ChaseUTB or new age jazz like drsax or ethereal background music. I'm trying to put their opinions about gear into perspective. I'm personally not using VI's in my productions. I'm not against them, but that's not the kind of stuff I do. If they happen to do all instrumental music using VI's, their toolset and gear selections/uses will be very different from mine. I just don't understand why someone will talk a big game and say "turn on the Disney channel if you want to hear my work", but can't tell me if they're mixing foley or writing the hit songs from Frozen. Also, FWIW, I'm nobody. I can't make a living mixing. I'm not trying to come across as better than anyone here. I'm sure a bunch of you cats probably think my mixes/music suck. At least you can check my stuff out and form your own opinions. Well, maybe this'll be helpful and give you and ChaseUTB the chance to hear the Bricasti in a totally different context. I don't produce new age jazz... most of the contemporary jazz I do comes from funk, pop, R&B and soul. Contemporary jazz is quite a bit different from New Age. But I have produced many different styles from jazz to rock to R&B and more. With that said, here's a song I produced and mixed 5 years ago for an independent rock band from Chicago/Milwaukee. It's hard rock combined with pop and rap elements. I had nothing to do with the video. I produced and mixed the song. As a cool side note, the drummer who is a good friend of mine, went on to be Prince's drummer the last few years before Prince passed away. Anyway, the Bricasti is the main verb in this song. It's the only verb on the drums. I set up a patch that sounded great on the drums and then most of the mix elements got a taste of it too. That single Bricasti patch was used on Drums, Vox, Guitars, Rap, and several other mix elements. The YouTube compression makes a very compressed mix even more so... but feel free and check it out. You may dig the sounds or not... but here's a chance to hear the Bricasti in a different context than what you might expect. Sounds great. Which patch?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 6, 2017 7:15:13 GMT -6
Welcome to the board michaelcleary. Was the Bricasti used in the track yours, or was it in the studio the tracks were done in?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 6, 2017 7:44:47 GMT -6
Well, maybe this'll be helpful and give you and ChaseUTB the chance to hear the Bricasti in a totally different context. I don't produce new age jazz... most of the contemporary jazz I do comes from funk, pop, R&B and soul. Contemporary jazz is quite a bit different from New Age. But I have produced many different styles from jazz to rock to R&B and more. With that said, here's a song I produced and mixed 5 years ago for an independent rock band from Chicago/Milwaukee. It's hard rock combined with pop and rap elements. I had nothing to do with the video. I produced and mixed the song. As a cool side note, the drummer who is a good friend of mine, went on to be Prince's drummer the last few years before Prince passed away. Anyway, the Bricasti is the main verb in this song. It's the only verb on the drums. I set up a patch that sounded great on the drums and then most of the mix elements got a taste of it too. That single Bricasti patch was used on Drums, Vox, Guitars, Rap, and several other mix elements. The YouTube compression makes a very compressed mix even more so... but feel free and check it out. You may dig the sounds or not... but here's a chance to hear the Bricasti in a different context than what you might expect. Sorry I called it "new age", I guess contemporary is the term. Vastly different than the standards and bop acts that I normally mix in the clubs. I wasn't trying to be derogatory or anything. Really great mix. That snare sounds killer and the vocal production is perfect. Is the verse vocal tripled and panned LCR? Not a tune that I would buy for my personal library, but the sounds are exactly right for the genre. Really impressive.
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Post by michaelcleary on Jun 6, 2017 8:46:05 GMT -6
Welcome to the board michaelcleary. Was the Bricasti used in the track yours, or was it in the studio the tracks were done in? Not sure which track your referring to but I have not posted any tracks. The Bricasti I have in my studio is on loan from a friend of mine.
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Post by drsax on Jun 6, 2017 8:59:44 GMT -6
Well, maybe this'll be helpful and give you and ChaseUTB the chance to hear the Bricasti in a totally different context. I don't produce new age jazz... most of the contemporary jazz I do comes from funk, pop, R&B and soul. Contemporary jazz is quite a bit different from New Age. But I have produced many different styles from jazz to rock to R&B and more. With that said, here's a song I produced and mixed 5 years ago for an independent rock band from Chicago/Milwaukee. It's hard rock combined with pop and rap elements. I had nothing to do with the video. I produced and mixed the song. As a cool side note, the drummer who is a good friend of mine, went on to be Prince's drummer the last few years before Prince passed away. Anyway, the Bricasti is the main verb in this song. It's the only verb on the drums. I set up a patch that sounded great on the drums and then most of the mix elements got a taste of it too. That single Bricasti patch was used on Drums, Vox, Guitars, Rap, and several other mix elements. The YouTube compression makes a very compressed mix even more so... but feel free and check it out. You may dig the sounds or not... but here's a chance to hear the Bricasti in a different context than what you might expect. Sounds great. Which patch? studio 2 from the rooms 2 bank
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Post by drsax on Jun 6, 2017 9:09:47 GMT -6
Well, maybe this'll be helpful and give you and ChaseUTB the chance to hear the Bricasti in a totally different context. I don't produce new age jazz... most of the contemporary jazz I do comes from funk, pop, R&B and soul. Contemporary jazz is quite a bit different from New Age. But I have produced many different styles from jazz to rock to R&B and more. With that said, here's a song I produced and mixed 5 years ago for an independent rock band from Chicago/Milwaukee. It's hard rock combined with pop and rap elements. I had nothing to do with the video. I produced and mixed the song. As a cool side note, the drummer who is a good friend of mine, went on to be Prince's drummer the last few years before Prince passed away. Anyway, the Bricasti is the main verb in this song. It's the only verb on the drums. I set up a patch that sounded great on the drums and then most of the mix elements got a taste of it too. That single Bricasti patch was used on Drums, Vox, Guitars, Rap, and several other mix elements. The YouTube compression makes a very compressed mix even more so... but feel free and check it out. You may dig the sounds or not... but here's a chance to hear the Bricasti in a different context than what you might expect. Sorry I called it "new age", I guess contemporary is the term. Vastly different than the standards and bop acts that I normally mix in the clubs. I wasn't trying to be derogatory or anything.ย Really great mix. That snare sounds killer and the vocal production is perfect. Is the verse vocal tripled and panned LCR? Not a tune that I would buy for my personal library, but the sounds are exactly right for the genre. Really impressive. It's all good @jcout1 - Thanks for the kind words man. The snare was a Gretsch New Classic 5.5x14 maple. Actually, the whole kit was a Gretsch New Classic. Yes, the vocals on this one are lightly layered to the left and right with the main lead part in the center. Not a technique that I often use, but this track was so dense and busy that I needed to do that to make sure the vocal and rap stayed prominent.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 10, 2017 9:00:11 GMT -6
Allmusic doesn't have 1/10 of my credits up. Neither does IMDb. I don't even have all my credits up on my own site! Hahaha. My wiki is a joke too. Whatever. My credit is usually right on the records I do. People will see that when they're reading the liner notes!๐๐ As far as reverb goes...if I've learned anything in the last 20 years of doing this stuff it's that 1 piece of gear will NOT make your records sound "pro". If you use a bricasti without good reverb technique it'll sound goofy like every other reverb does when you use it poorly. But I want one BAD. I spent over an hour tweaking that damned slate reverb bricasti thing and my mix still sounded crap. Must be I need the real one. C'mon @johnkenn let's buy bricastis!!!! We'll finish our mixes so fast we'll have time to update our credits!! Unfortunately, i don't think it would translate into dollars for me. Maybe when I'm rolling in the dough one day.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jun 10, 2017 9:53:32 GMT -6
Rent it for that important mix and then return it when done.
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Post by noah shain on Jun 10, 2017 17:40:42 GMT -6
Allmusic doesn't have 1/10 of my credits up. Neither does IMDb. I don't even have all my credits up on my own site! Hahaha. My wiki is a joke too. Whatever. My credit is usually right on the records I do. People will see that when they're reading the liner notes!๐๐ As far as reverb goes...if I've learned anything in the last 20 years of doing this stuff it's that 1 piece of gear will NOT make your records sound "pro". If you use a bricasti without good reverb technique it'll sound goofy like every other reverb does when you use it poorly. But I want one BAD. I spent over an hour tweaking that damned slate reverb bricasti thing and my mix still sounded crap. Must be I need the real one. C'mon @johnkenn let's buy bricastis!!!! We'll finish our mixes so fast we'll have time to update our credits!! Unfortunately, i don't think it would translate into dollars for me. Maybe when I'm rolling in the dough one day. 1 piece of gear never does. Unless it's a tape machine๐
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Post by ericn on Jun 11, 2017 13:25:54 GMT -6
Unfortunately, i don't think it would translate into dollars for me. Maybe when I'm rolling in the dough one day. 1 piece of gear never does. Unless it's a tape machine๐ I don't know I find the MUTES on my console are a game change!๐
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Post by noah shain on Jun 11, 2017 18:13:43 GMT -6
1 piece of gear never does. Unless it's a tape machine๐ I don't know I find the MUTES on my console are a game change!๐ I'll see your mutes and raise you a TALKBACK mute. I've used that to make a few good recordings.
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Post by ericn on Jun 11, 2017 19:24:55 GMT -6
I don't know I find the MUTES on my console are a game change!๐ I'll see your mutes and raise you a TALKBACK mute. I've used that to make a few good recordings. True but if they don't listen to you the mutes still work wonders.
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