|
Post by jdc on May 30, 2017 4:29:08 GMT -6
This thread is becoming very expensive for me
|
|
|
Post by svart on May 30, 2017 7:29:52 GMT -6
I have some bootleg IR's taken from an early Bricasti that I use occasionally. Even the IRs sound amazing, but the latency through the IR wrapper is ridiculous so it makes it hard to use. I'm really hoping that the scuttlebutt about a lower cost Bricasti machine coming out are true..
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2017 7:36:14 GMT -6
Speaking of which...are there alternative, cheaper HW options out there that people still like better than plugs?
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,921
|
Post by ericn on May 30, 2017 7:52:45 GMT -6
Speaking of which...are there alternative, cheaper HW options out there that people still like better than plugs? Plenty On the cheap Lexicon Reflex sub $100 The Alesis Q2 that EMMR has listed is a steel for under 2 it was Alesis attempt at getting respect but it says Alesis TC M 1 very useable Lexicon LXP15 noisy but JW can cure that The TC 2000, 3000, 4000 hell a 5k can be had for under a grand! Lex PCM 60, 70 classic tiled room. Yamaha Pro3r secret weapon of many. Later Lexicon PCM 80/81/90/91 &92 Lexicon 300 But none will give you that last bit a Bricasti brings to the show! People who send a Bricasti back are usually depressed till another one fills their rack!
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on May 30, 2017 8:25:36 GMT -6
Cowboycoalminer added a part to a track of mine a while back. He sent the file back , and I noticed the reverb instantly. It was bigger, wider, and deeper than my Relab XL480. It was an $80 used Lexicon reverb!
I think you'd dig the PCM 70 John. People like it for drums, so later on, even if you got a Bricasti, you might still use it.
|
|
|
Post by 79sg on May 30, 2017 8:59:19 GMT -6
I have some bootleg IR's taken from an early Bricasti that I use occasionally. Even the IRs sound amazing, but the latency through the IR wrapper is ridiculous so it makes it hard to use. I'm really hoping that the scuttlebutt about a lower cost Bricasti machine coming out are true.. I spoke with Bricasti about a month ago, the M200 is going to connect analog only and is delays and reverb. It may be a year out who knows? It will also have fewer processors than the M7 which has 12 (?) I believe. In the meantime, the problem with looking for alternatives to what you really want is that the desire for it will never go away until you get it. Several years ago I stepped back and looked at all the stuff that came and went until I ended up where I should have started all along. Lesson for me was make due with what I have and wait until I could purchase what I really need and want all at the same time. Spend money where it will make the biggest impact and get me away from looking for the next tool that still hasn't made me rich and famous We are getting ready to start building out our new studio, we will be adding a Bricasti, the question is it the M7 or the M7M with the plugin from Exponential Audio? Will this be the ticket? I don't care because it sounds awesome
|
|
|
Post by svart on May 30, 2017 9:36:36 GMT -6
I have some bootleg IR's taken from an early Bricasti that I use occasionally. Even the IRs sound amazing, but the latency through the IR wrapper is ridiculous so it makes it hard to use. I'm really hoping that the scuttlebutt about a lower cost Bricasti machine coming out are true.. I spoke with Bricasti about a month ago, the M200 is going to connect analog only and is delays and reverb. It may be a year out who knows? It will also have fewer processors than the M7 which has 12 (?) I believe. In the meantime, the problem with looking for alternatives to what you really want is that the desire for it will never go away until you get it. Several years ago I stepped back and looked at all the stuff that came and went until I ended up where I should have started all along. Lesson for me was make due with what I have and wait until I could purchase what I really need and want all at the same time. Spend money where it will make the biggest impact and get me away from looking for the next tool that still hasn't made me rich and famous We are getting ready to start building out our new studio, we will be adding a Bricasti, the question is it the M7 or the M7M with the plugin from Exponential Audio? Will this be the ticket? I don't care because it sounds awesome Understood, but the used market isn't helping because the used M7s are going for just as much as new units due to the demand. Having a lower cost option will chase people away from buying up the M7 and allow the market to settle back down to a more reasonable price range.. Besides, I want one to emulate rooms, so I'm not sure why I'd need tons of processing.. I don't plan on chaining up a lot of effects.
|
|
|
Post by 79sg on May 30, 2017 9:43:21 GMT -6
I spoke with Bricasti about a month ago, the M200 is going to connect analog only and is delays and reverb. It may be a year out who knows? It will also have fewer processors than the M7 which has 12 (?) I believe. In the meantime, the problem with looking for alternatives to what you really want is that the desire for it will never go away until you get it. Several years ago I stepped back and looked at all the stuff that came and went until I ended up where I should have started all along. Lesson for me was make due with what I have and wait until I could purchase what I really need and want all at the same time. Spend money where it will make the biggest impact and get me away from looking for the next tool that still hasn't made me rich and famous We are getting ready to start building out our new studio, we will be adding a Bricasti, the question is it the M7 or the M7M with the plugin from Exponential Audio? Will this be the ticket? I don't care because it sounds awesome Understood, but the used market isn't helping because the used M7s are going for just as much as new units due to the demand. Having a lower cost option will chase people away from buying up the M7 and allow the market to settle back down to a more reasonable price range.. I have been surprised at the used market for the M7 as well. Originally, I planned on waiting for the M200 (lower cost option) but have wondered, 1. What is the cost of that box going to be? I have no clue. 2. What if it takes a lot longer to come to market than we hope it will? Finally, it is my understanding that whenever this does happen the M7 (version 3) will run all of the stuff in the new lower cost box as well. By the way, is any of this stuff reasonably priced?
|
|
|
Post by svart on May 30, 2017 9:52:34 GMT -6
Understood, but the used market isn't helping because the used M7s are going for just as much as new units due to the demand. Having a lower cost option will chase people away from buying up the M7 and allow the market to settle back down to a more reasonable price range.. I have been surprised at the used market for the M7 as well. Originally, I planned on waiting for the M200 (lower cost option) but have wondered, 1. What is the cost of that box going to be? I have no clue. 2. What if it takes a lot longer to come to market than we hope it will? Finally, it is my understanding that whenever this does happen the M7 (version 3) will run all of the stuff in the new lower cost box as well. By the way, is any of this stuff reasonably priced? Apparently it is reasonably priced as people keep buying it! It's survived the "hype period" and continues to deliver the goods, so I suppose it's worth it. Now, we all know that every few years the power of chips drastically increase while the chips themselves get cheaper and less power hungry, so I'd wager that there is a DSP/FPGA available today that can do in a single chip what took a dozen chips 5 years ago. However, we also know that the price point has been set, so I doubt they'd cut the price drastically on the redesign as they probably needed to staff up to support multiple products.. if the new box hits the sub 2K mark, I think they'd make a killing.
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,921
|
Post by ericn on May 30, 2017 11:31:31 GMT -6
Cowboycoalminer added a part to a track of mine a while back. He sent the file back , and I noticed the reverb instantly. It was bigger, wider, and deeper than my Relab XL480. It was an $80 used Lexicon reverb! I think you'd dig the PCM 70 John. People like it for drums, so later on, even if you got a Bricasti, you might still use it. Lot of 70 that are beyond repair out there, they seam to go round and round and not find the dumpster.
|
|
|
Post by john on May 30, 2017 11:58:27 GMT -6
I have some bootleg IR's taken from an early Bricasti that I use occasionally. Even the IRs sound amazing, but the latency through the IR wrapper is ridiculous so it makes it hard to use. I'm really hoping that the scuttlebutt about a lower cost Bricasti machine coming out are true.. I spoke with Bricasti about a month ago, the M200 is going to connect analog only and is delays and reverb. It may be a year out who knows? It will also have fewer processors than the M7 which has 12 (?) I believe. In the meantime, the problem with looking for alternatives to what you really want is that the desire for it will never go away until you get it. Several years ago I stepped back and looked at all the stuff that came and went until I ended up where I should have started all along. Lesson for me was make due with what I have and wait until I could purchase what I really need and want all at the same time. Spend money where it will make the biggest impact and get me away from looking for the next tool that still hasn't made me rich and famous We are getting ready to start building out our new studio, we will be adding a Bricasti, the question is it the M7 or the M7M with the plugin from Exponential Audio? Will this be the ticket? I don't care because it sounds awesome It was stated by Casey on the other site that the M200 was originally slated for AES in October but is now more likely for NAMM in January. If it has even half the guts and glory of the big dude I would be thrilled to use it but also hoping the price matches those adjustments. I have also only heard the M7 in headphones at a convention but it was enough for me. Totally worth the asking price if it can be swung.
|
|
|
Post by keymod on May 30, 2017 13:04:15 GMT -6
Life is short, use the good China
|
|
|
Post by rowmat on May 30, 2017 13:13:23 GMT -6
A Bricasti has been on my radar for a while. Still dreading the day (if and when) our 480L decides to throw the towel in.
|
|
|
Post by mikec on May 30, 2017 13:29:27 GMT -6
I plan on retiring from my corporate job at the end of the year (I'll be 58) so I can enjoy life and play more music before I'm too old to enjoy it and the Bricasti was one of my last planned big purchases in case I can't afford it down the road. It's that good in my opinion. Not better than food or a roof over your head, but pretty good.
|
|
|
Post by keymod on May 30, 2017 13:38:51 GMT -6
Speaking of which...are there alternative, cheaper HW options out there that people still like better than plugs? Kurzweil KSP8 ?
|
|
ericn
Temp
Balance Engineer
Posts: 14,921
|
Post by ericn on May 30, 2017 13:40:44 GMT -6
I could live with a Bricasti, H3000 and a spx990 Alex MOne and handful of Sub $100 delays!
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on May 30, 2017 17:20:16 GMT -6
Speaking of which...are there alternative, cheaper HW options out there that people still like better than plugs? Kurzweil KSP8 ? Pcm70?
|
|
|
Post by reddirt on May 30, 2017 17:36:51 GMT -6
yeah, I question all my in the box revs (Lex bundle, UAD 224, 140, 250) as they don't fill me with a sense of what I got from cheaper HW verbs . Maybe that's some mis-placed nostalgia but this discussion has lifted the scab of the wound for mine, The little LXP5 although a little middly was a great box, the LXP15 11 never lived up to it's promise IMO , the Roland 330 that was the basis for their 1680 recorder's revs was very good as was the Alesis Q2 (if a bit noisy) that EricN mentioned. I wanted to like the Kurzweill but it had a metallic resonance that didn't win me. The Ensoniq DP4 was meant to be great - my DPS16 plus had great effex so I can believe the hype. Keep talkin........ Cheers, Ross
|
|
|
Post by guitfiddler on May 30, 2017 17:48:31 GMT -6
The outboard just comes alive when on my console...not so much when I patch it in on an insert, sounds a whole lot different to me...maybe it's just me in this new all in the box world we live in now?
|
|
|
Post by EmRR on May 30, 2017 17:50:42 GMT -6
What is a replacement for the STA? A tricked out GE Uni-Level or Collins 26-J. Pretty much the same thing. Would you sell two plate reverbs to pay for a Bricasti?
|
|
|
Post by Martin John Butler on May 30, 2017 20:00:34 GMT -6
Wouldn't an LA2A cover the same basic territory? There are some beautifully done close around these days.
|
|
|
Post by ragan on May 30, 2017 20:19:16 GMT -6
What is a replacement for the STA? A tricked out GE Uni-Level or Collins 26-J. Pretty much the same thing. Would you sell two plate reverbs to pay for a Bricasti? I don't think I understand the plate reverb question but maybe that's not directed at me? For my part, I don't even know if I'd like a Bricasti. I don't use a lot of verb in general. It's certainly not the thing I'd spend my next $4k in gear money on. I'm not even sure it'd make it into the next $20k I'd spend. But again, I'm not a huge digital reverb guy in general.
|
|
|
Post by donr on May 30, 2017 20:24:03 GMT -6
Does anyone here regularly use convolution IR's of real spaces? Or Bricasti for that matter? I like Ocean Way for UAD, and I've spent a little time with Wave's IR's, but being able to transport my now relatively-neutral sounding acoustic recordings into a variety of convincing virtual spaces would be something I'd like to be able to do as part of the sonic palette.
|
|
|
Post by donr on May 30, 2017 20:25:21 GMT -6
Slightly OT, but I like Ocean Way for the mic emulations as much as the space. Usually, I can get whatever I record to sound a bit sweeter using Ocean Way's mics.
|
|
|
Post by Johnkenn on May 30, 2017 20:56:36 GMT -6
Does anyone here regularly use convolution IR's of real spaces? Or Bricasti for that matter? I like Ocean Way for UAD, and I've spent a little time with Wave's IR's, but being able to transport my now relatively-neutral sounding acoustic recordings into a variety of convincing virtual spaces would be something I'd like to be able to do as part of the sonic palette. Have you tried Eventide Tverb? Love the room in that. It can be way more subtle.
|
|