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Post by svart on May 11, 2017 10:12:23 GMT -6
I would love a bricasti, but damn I swear the used ones practically sell for as much or more than new ones!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 11, 2017 10:13:30 GMT -6
or if you don't like the STA ; what do you think you will like ?
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Post by drsax on May 11, 2017 10:55:00 GMT -6
It's quite simple actually. You need both - the Bricasti and the STA That's what I would call a "Win, Win" situation.
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Post by drbill on May 11, 2017 11:27:02 GMT -6
I don't think the weight tank is a replacement for the stalevel, but I'd LOVE to be proved wrong. Not necessarily what I wanted to hear Why not call Eric @ Locomotive and see if he can shoot you out a demo. Or ask his opinion in comparison to the Sta. He's really nice and super helpful. I think the WT is its own thing. Of course it's a Vari Mu but it's completely unlike the Manley VariMu, and seems different than any comp I've used before. I think only trying it will give you the answers you seek. Good luck.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 11, 2017 11:49:33 GMT -6
I should...I've talked to him and he's super cool. I just don't want to put anyone out in case I don't buy, you know?
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Post by ericn on May 11, 2017 17:46:09 GMT -6
I should...I've talked to him and he's super cool. I just don't want to put anyone out in case I don't buy, you know? That's what demos are for ! Had a guy who always lost the box and thought the words " charge my card" was easier than all that work of sending stuff back! He kept gas in my car for years!
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Post by nnajar on May 28, 2017 8:01:24 GMT -6
Get the bricasti. It is s-t-u-n-n-i-n-g. Every single program. there is honestly nothing like it out there.
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Post by mikec on May 28, 2017 8:55:46 GMT -6
The Bricasti is really amazing. I was trying to use UAD Ocean Way as my room sound but once I got the Bricasti the difference was amazing. I took advice from Wiz and have it patched pretty much permanently into channels 15&16 of my interface and then set it up on an Aux track so I send as much or little of every track to it. The best way I can explain it is bypassing it takes the sound from full 3D to more 2D. One of my best purchases ever.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 28, 2017 14:50:52 GMT -6
The Bricasti is really amazing. I was trying to use UAD Ocean Way as my room sound but once I got the Bricasti the difference was amazing. I took advice from Wiz and have it patched pretty much permanently into channels 15&16 of my interface and then set it up on an Aux track so I send as much or little of every track to it. The best way I can explain it is bypassing it takes the sound from full 3D to more 2D. One of my best purchases ever. Damnit
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Post by wiz on May 28, 2017 16:24:49 GMT -6
The Bricasti is really amazing. I was trying to use UAD Ocean Way as my room sound but once I got the Bricasti the difference was amazing. I took advice from Wiz and have it patched pretty much permanently into channels 15&16 of my interface and then set it up on an Aux track so I send as much or little of every track to it. The best way I can explain it is bypassing it takes the sound from full 3D to more 2D. One of my best purchases ever. Thats as good a description of what I felt...... make sure to grab the exponential audio plug in to control it.... thats awesome cheers Wiz
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Post by drsax on May 28, 2017 17:46:05 GMT -6
The Bricasti is really amazing. I was trying to use UAD Ocean Way as my room sound but once I got the Bricasti the difference was amazing. I took advice from Wiz and have it patched pretty much permanently into channels 15&16 of my interface and then set it up on an Aux track so I send as much or little of every track to it. The best way I can explain it is bypassing it takes the sound from full 3D to more 2D. One of my best purchases ever. and ditto...
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Post by guitfiddler on May 28, 2017 18:07:07 GMT -6
The Bricasti is really amazing. I was trying to use UAD Ocean Way as my room sound but once I got the Bricasti the difference was amazing. I took advice from Wiz and have it patched pretty much permanently into channels 15&16 of my interface and then set it up on an Aux track so I send as much or little of every track to it. The best way I can explain it is bypassing it takes the sound from full 3D to more 2D. One of my best purchases ever. and ditto... and ditto 2...
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Post by mrholmes on May 28, 2017 19:23:11 GMT -6
The Bricasti is really amazing. I was trying to use UAD Ocean Way as my room sound but once I got the Bricasti the difference was amazing. I took advice from Wiz and have it patched pretty much permanently into channels 15&16 of my interface and then set it up on an Aux track so I send as much or little of every track to it. The best way I can explain it is bypassing it takes the sound from full 3D to more 2D. One of my best purchases ever. Same is true for the plug in except it misses a few details and has some trouble with drastic dynamic changes lower level notes can sound like there is no verb at all... but overall if I use one instance of the Studio A as glueing reverb.... the moment I switch it off is just wow...
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Post by c0rtland on May 28, 2017 19:38:27 GMT -6
There are two kinds of studios, those that have the M7 and those that do not. I don't think this is the first time you've said this. Glad to hear your opinion hasn't changed.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 29, 2017 8:40:55 GMT -6
I so understand this dilemma. I went through the same kind of thing selling my Dizengoff D4, which was really good, and my ToneBeast, all to upgrade my computer and get the new Apollo 8 with the free satellite.
Drsax is right, you probably need both to be satisfied. Now, if you really want the Bricasti now, and you want to replace the Sta- with something similar, why not an LA2A clone? You'd probably pocket over $1700 in the exchange, and could put that toward the Bricasti.
Otherwise, you're stuck. I'd look at selling something else that'll bring you some spare change and keep both. But I think an LA2A clone is a very good option that might get you 75% of the way there now.
* when I auditioned the Bricasti at AES, I only had headphones, and in one second my mind was blown. It's in a class of its own.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2017 12:30:07 GMT -6
While I want - and I get the value - of the Bricasti, I wonder if it's not more of a luxury than a necessity.
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Post by nnajar on May 29, 2017 13:13:33 GMT -6
it is an exponential upgrade
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 29, 2017 13:19:01 GMT -6
That it is, but then a Mercedes can be called both a luxury and a necessity, so why not the Bricasti?
The Lexicons have a "sound", and a lot of that color can be had with either the Relab XL480, or buying a PCM70 or M300 if you gotta have hardware. To me, the Bricasti is different, something completely high end and professional. It would bring a touch of class to anything you work on, whereas the Lexicons, great as they are, are quite a common sound.
In your case, it's a tossup, your demos sound like a finished record already, but when you have clients and get into production, it could give you an instant edge in quality.
For me, I want a certain quality level at home, and I'm quite a few steps away. To feel I'm at the level I want at home, I'd like a Symphony MkII, a Bricasti,,an RTZ 9762A, the Stam SSL, and another Warm EQP-1A. and either the MaxMod U67 or the Chandler REDD mic.
I know I won't be satisfied until my personal system is at that level, but I'm grateful that the Apollo, WA76, WA2A, EQP-1A that I have, and soon, the SA-73 are so good sounding. Nothing is stopping me from making great records with these pieces alone, other than my lack of engineering skill.
*it just occurred to me that I loved the ATC SCM25A speakers I heard as much as I loved the Bricasti, but I think the Bricasti would affect the quality of my tracks a lot more than the ATC's would.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2017 14:04:33 GMT -6
I e always been trying to figure out where my money is best spent...I could see arguments that the Bricasti would probably be a bigger change for the positive than upgrading conversion. While I do believe there's better AD and DA than the Apollo and Dbox, it's definitely at a level that I don't think is keeping me from getting good results. Of course, I'm really talking myself into something I neither have the money for or will get songs cut. So...man...I don't know.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2017 14:05:41 GMT -6
That it is, but then a Mercedes can be called both a luxury and a necessity, so why not the Bricasti? The Lexicons have a "sound", and a lot of that color can be had with either the Relab XL480, or buying a PCM70 or M300 if you gotta have hardware. To me, the Bricasti is different, something completely high end and professional. It would bring a touch of class to anything you work on, whereas the Lexicons, great as they are, are quite a common sound. In your case, it's a tossup, your demos sound like a finished record already, but when you have clients and get into production, it could give you an instant edge in quality. For me, I want a certain quality level at home, and I'm quite a few steps away. To feel I'm at the level I want at home, I'd like a Symphony MkII, a Bricasti,,an RTZ 9762A, the Stam SSL, and another Warm EQP-1A. and either the MaxMod U67 or the Chandler REDD mic. I know I won't be satisfied until my personal system is at that level, but I'm grateful that the Apollo, WA76, WA2A, EQP-1A that I have, and soon, the SA-73 are so good sounding. Nothing is stopping me from making great records with these pieces alone, other than my lack of engineering skill. *it just occurred to me that I loved the ATC SCM25A speakers I heard as much as I loved the Bricasti, but I think the Bricasti would affect the quality of my tracks a lot more than the ATC's would. Actually, I would argue that your monitors might just be THE most important thing. You can't mix/fix/add what you can't hear.
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 29, 2017 14:34:23 GMT -6
I know you're right, but the ATC's are in a completely different category. At $8,000, I can't even contemplate owning them unless I find work that really pays well, like I used to. In my next level dreams, where I actually have a place of my own, I see the ATC's there. But down on the ground where I am now, as pricey as things like the Bricasti or the Symphony are, they seem reachable with some wheeling and dealing.
In the audiophile world, the accepted norm was to make your speakers 50% of your budget. My Avantone Abbey's were $2,000, so not cheap, but I'll say this about them, I have no desire to look for a different speaker at all, and I've had them for quite some time now.
And though I agree that "you can't fix what you can't hear", I also think you can't fix it if it isn't there in the first place, and the other components get you there. I'd personally rather have a Symphony and a Bricasti and my monitors than the ATC's any day.
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Post by mrholmes on May 29, 2017 18:42:36 GMT -6
I e always been trying to figure out where my money is best spent...I could see arguments that the Bricasti would probably be a bigger change for the positive than upgrading conversion. While I do believe there's better AD and DA than the Apollo and Dbox, it's definitely at a level that I don't think is keeping me from getting good results. Of course, I'm really talking myself into something I neither have the money for or will get songs cut. So...man...I don't know. I try to help to make this easier. Lets say we just forget that we cant have the real hardware. Lets say it never saw the light of the world, I can imagine it. And now I come along and show a short snippet like the song I am working on and I switch on and off the SVH plug which is used as main reverb. Ok this snippet is real... drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rBQEXeXf8LeU5fVGl0R0ZYYnc/view?usp=sharingTo me its good enough. Every time I bypass the SVH I think its impossible... but its real. As far as I know you already own this plug in ... use it and have fun. Just my 2cents.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 29, 2017 20:32:23 GMT -6
That it is, but then a Mercedes can be called both a luxury and a necessity, so why not the Bricasti? The Lexicons have a "sound", and a lot of that color can be had with either the Relab XL480, or buying a PCM70 or M300 if you gotta have hardware. To me, the Bricasti is different, something completely high end and professional. It would bring a touch of class to anything you work on, whereas the Lexicons, great as they are, are quite a common sound. In your case, it's a tossup, your demos sound like a finished record already, but when you have clients and get into production, it could give you an instant edge in quality. For me, I want a certain quality level at home, and I'm quite a few steps away. To feel I'm at the level I want at home, I'd like a Symphony MkII, a Bricasti,,an RTZ 9762A, the Stam SSL, and another Warm EQP-1A. and either the MaxMod U67 or the Chandler REDD mic. I know I won't be satisfied until my personal system is at that level, but I'm grateful that the Apollo, WA76, WA2A, EQP-1A that I have, and soon, the SA-73 are so good sounding. Nothing is stopping me from making great records with these pieces alone, other than my lack of engineering skill. *it just occurred to me that I loved the ATC SCM25A speakers I heard as much as I loved the Bricasti, but I think the Bricasti would affect the quality of my tracks a lot more than the ATC's would. MJB, we have talked about this many times. You need acoustic treatment if you are going to continue to record and mix in your spot. You say it's not possible but it is. Collapsible panels, free hanging picture frame panels, foldaway panels etc.. Until you have a better recording environment I feel you will hit some of the same roadblocks you face today regardless if you had a u67, Neve pre, Symphony etc.. You also have the BF Apollo which By most ppl's accounts here is mighty fine for the money and well capable of producing world class.. You have pretty good gear my man already... recording in a better space and focusing on being the artist and not the engineer will help you as welll... You want to buy my Stam SSL?
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Post by Martin John Butler on May 29, 2017 20:58:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the encouragement Chase, I don't disagree in any way. I don't want to get too far away from John's question about the Bricasti. I'll try to address this before tracking anything new.
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Post by nnajar on May 29, 2017 23:45:08 GMT -6
JK apollo is fine, no need to ever upgrade for quality reasons, get a bricasti. Not kidding. You won't *understand* until you use the real thing, but then you'll really get it.
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