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Km84
Mar 29, 2017 20:40:31 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 29, 2017 20:40:31 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2017 20:44:12 GMT -6
Not sure that's an 84 capsule. Never seen one that wasn't labeled. And mine is anything but harsh.
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Km84
Mar 29, 2017 21:01:31 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Mar 29, 2017 21:01:31 GMT -6
Strange. My km184 capsules look like a longer version of the one on the right. They have the beveled edge as well. They also have the handwritten S on the back with no etched numbers.
Could be a clone?
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Km84
Mar 29, 2017 21:21:46 GMT -6
Post by Bob Olhsson on Mar 29, 2017 21:21:46 GMT -6
Might have been modded.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2017 21:23:18 GMT -6
That's kind've like replacing the top on a '46 Martin.
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Km84
Mar 29, 2017 21:30:06 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 29, 2017 21:30:06 GMT -6
Just using my ears initially I knew something ain't right. Thanks for confirming guys.
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Km84
Mar 29, 2017 21:42:15 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Mar 29, 2017 21:42:15 GMT -6
Thing is, I've never seen or heard of someone doing a direct clone of a km84 capsule.. not to say someone isn't doing it..
However, all the km84 capsule pics all seem to have the beveled edge.
Edit: I take that back.. some of the really, really old capsules seem to have flat edges.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 29, 2017 21:43:14 GMT -6
You can still buy them new...
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Km84
Mar 29, 2017 21:48:34 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Mar 29, 2017 21:48:34 GMT -6
You can still buy them new... Yeah, but I thought you had to have a km body and serial number to actually buy one though? I thought they started doing that to keep the diy crowd from building clones and selling them? |
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 29, 2017 21:52:54 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 29, 2017 22:28:00 GMT -6
So I contacted Neumann by email. I'll let you guys know what I find out. I'm starting to think it is legit but perhaps in poor shape. Either way it's gonna be returned. Maybe if I got a better deal I'd just have the capsule cleaned but.. buying vintage mics online always carries risk. Looks like I'll eat shipping on this one. Ah well. It happens. I appreciate the comments and thoughts. Very excellent. Thanks 🙏
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Post by rowmat on Mar 29, 2017 22:57:58 GMT -6
It's possible you may have a KM84 labelled body fitted with an early series KK85 capsule (unlabelled). The earlier KM series mics labelled the capsule type on the mic body rather than the capsule (AFAIK) even though both models used identical preamps.  Later all the bodies were simply designated "KMi" and the capsule type was then applied to the capsule itself.  The KM85's were heavily high passed from around 200-300hz to reduce proximity effect when close micing. I believe this was achieved by tensioning the diaphragm higher than the KK84 capsule. Properly functioning KM84's are an SDC neither lacking in low end or known for harshness. |
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 30, 2017 0:13:29 GMT -6
It's possible you may have a KM84 labelled body fitted with an early series KK85 capsule (unlabelled). The earlier KM series mics labelled the capsule type on the mic body rather than the capsule (AFAIK) even though both models used identical preamps. View AttachmentLater all the bodies were simply designated "KMi" and the capsule type was then applied to the capsule itself. View AttachmentThe KM85's were heavily high passed from around 200-300hz to reduce proximity effect when close micing. I believe this was achieved by tensioning the diaphragm higher than the KK84 capsule. Properly functioning KM84's are an SDC neither lacking in low end or known for harshness. Ding ding ding. I do believe we have a winner. Well done Sherlock. |
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Km84
Mar 30, 2017 0:13:45 GMT -6
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Post by reddirt on Mar 30, 2017 0:13:45 GMT -6
The 84 does have a present mid but it's by no means harsh.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by rowmat on Mar 30, 2017 2:21:01 GMT -6
It's possible you may have a KM84 labelled body fitted with an early series KK85 capsule (unlabelled). The earlier KM series mics labelled the capsule type on the mic body rather than the capsule (AFAIK) even though both models used identical preamps. Later all the bodies were simply designated "KMi" and the capsule type was then applied to the capsule itself. The KM85's were heavily high passed from around 200-300hz to reduce proximity effect when close micing. I believe this was achieved by tensioning the diaphragm higher than the KK84 capsule. Properly functioning KM84's are an SDC neither lacking in low end or known for harshness. Ding ding ding. I do believe we have a winner. Well done Sherlock.  |
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Post by c0rtland on Mar 30, 2017 3:39:15 GMT -6
Seller is gonna send me another capsule to try out. That works for me. Nice guy.
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Km84
Mar 30, 2017 14:54:17 GMT -6
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 30, 2017 14:54:17 GMT -6
My KM84 is anything but harsh - it sounds great on acoustic guitar and delivered a very well balanced, euphonic single mic recording (straight in, no EQ) of a band rehearsal (of one of my bass player's other bands) that we recorded just for gits and shiggles. It's been very balanced and natural on everything we've tried it on.
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Post by wiz on Mar 30, 2017 15:13:35 GMT -6
My KM84 is anything but harsh - it sounds great on acoustic guitar and delivered a very well balanced, euphonic single mic recording (straight in, no EQ) of a band rehearsal (of one of my bass player's other bands) that we recorded just for gits and shiggles. It's been very balanced and natural on everything we've tried it on. That is mine as well. God, I just love the KM84 cheers Wiz |
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Km84
Apr 6, 2017 9:42:35 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 6, 2017 9:42:35 GMT -6
Neumann-
"Thank you for your request.
We are pleased to inform you that your microphone KM84 # 374 is manufactured in 1967 and #10233 in 1971.
Unfortunately, we have no further information on the history of this microphone.
Based on the pictures we would say that the capsules are original."
I replied and asked them if they can tell if the capsule is a kk85 or kk84.
New capsule is coming in the mail. Will report back.
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Km84
Apr 6, 2017 13:27:11 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 6, 2017 13:27:11 GMT -6
Oh snap...you bought one of the new ones?
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Km84
Apr 6, 2017 14:37:56 GMT -6
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 6, 2017 14:37:56 GMT -6
Oh snap...you bought one of the new ones? No. Should have said different. |
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Km84
Apr 6, 2017 15:50:10 GMT -6
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 6, 2017 15:50:10 GMT -6
We had some 85s at Motown that we used on kick. They sounded too thin for much else.
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 6, 2017 17:34:36 GMT -6
i received the replacement capsule from the seller. popped it in and bam. virtually identical to my other km84. perfect. awesome. wonderful.
so this is my ASSUMPTION from this experience. the kk84/85 capsules that are not labeled, at all, can be recognized by the number of digits in the serial number. a kk84 cap will have a 4 digit serial number and the kk85 will have a 3 digit serial number.
maybe we all learned something here, like i should stop buying microphones.
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Km84
Apr 6, 2017 17:39:12 GMT -6
Post by c0rtland on Apr 6, 2017 17:39:12 GMT -6
We had some 85s at Motown that we used on kick. They sounded too thin for much else. hey bob, so could you shed some light on all these "motown d.i.'s"? i have heard of 2 or 3 companies saying they are making di's with old transformers from motown. like how many freaking transformers that can be used in di's did motown have? i find the whole thing a bit odd. |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 6, 2017 20:03:09 GMT -6
My understanding was that we used UTC A series transformers. The key was that the musicians were listening to Altec studio monitors and not guitar amps.
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