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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 9:22:42 GMT -6
So I'm getting a little hot and bothered over this unit. Right now, I basically only use my Apollo for the 8 outs, ADAT out and as DSP for the plugs. I use the Svartbox for the AD and the Dbox for the DA. I consider the AD in the SB to be slightly better (and it's subjective) than the Apollo BF. I've heard that some people prefer the AD on the Clarett to the Apollo...so, I'd be interested to see how it compares. Anyway, I could sell the Apollo for like $1600, buy a used Clarett and Satellite and pocket $350... or I could sell the Apollo and all the plugs for like $3500 (42 plugs) and buy the used Clarett and Satellite and pocket $2250. The question is whether I could really live without the UA plugs.
If I still don't use the conversion on the Clarett, I still can keep the exact setup
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 18, 2017 9:31:01 GMT -6
So I'm getting a little hot and bothered over this unit. Right now, I basically only use my Apollo for the 8 outs, ADAT out and as DSP for the plugs. I use the Svartbox for the AD and the Dbox for the DA. I consider the AD in the SB to be slightly better (and it's subjective) than the Apollo BF. I've heard that some people prefer the AD on the Clarett to the Apollo...so, I'd be interested to see how it compares. Anyway, I could sell the Apollo for like $1600, buy a used Clarett and Satellite and pocket $350... or I could sell the Apollo and all the plugs for like $3500 (42 plugs) and buy the used Clarett and Satellite and pocket $2250. The question is whether I could really live without the UA plugs. If I still don't use the conversion on the Clarett, I still can keep the exact setup Aren't you using the analog outs from the BF into the dbox? Seems like a lot of effort for $350.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 9:35:12 GMT -6
Yes, and I could do the same with the Clarett. You see my other option? That's what I'm leaning towards.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 18, 2017 9:39:26 GMT -6
I went through a similar dilemma a few weeks ago. I was in need of an upgrade to my old silver face 8 and I was ready to give up the Apollo set up and upgrade to the new Lynx when they came out. I ended up moving up to the Apollo black 16 for several reasons. 1. I like the UAD plugs and I would have had to buy a satellite if I upgraded. 2. The conversionon the new unit is really good. I'm sure the Lynx is going to be incredible, but 5 grand vs 3 is a steep price to pay considering how good conversion has become, even on cheaper units like my focusrite Safire that I use for mobile gigs. 3. I was able to score a used 16 black for under 2 grand, and I picked up a Black Lion micro clock mkii in the deal. I always wanted to experiment with one of those and I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. So basically I found no need to leave Apollo land. It sounds like you mostly use yours for the interface, so it might be worth walking away from. I really like the Focusrite stuff, and I always recommend it to friends who aren't interested in a bigger more expensive Apollo rig. The sound quality is there, and I prefer their preamps to the Apollos.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 9:49:32 GMT -6
Yeah...it's probably dumb...and not worth the hassle.
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 18, 2017 10:09:38 GMT -6
Yeah...it's probably dumb...and not worth the hassle. Wouldn't be for me for $350. Do you know how the workflow and stability is in the Focusrite? When I tried switching over to the Motu, I had stability issues. I know for others it's solid, but I know there are some who deal with clicks/pops/noise issues. Also, the routing and workflow was really different, and not as slick and easy to navigate as Console. I switched back to the Apollo, and things just worked. Super solid and gave me a new appreciation for using Console.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 10:10:05 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 10:10:37 GMT -6
Of course, who knows...it could be totally rigged.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 18, 2017 10:50:47 GMT -6
Yes, and I could do the same with the Clarett. You see my other option? That's what I'm leaning towards. In scenario 2, would you be rebuying plugs for the satellite? Just doesn't sound great to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 11:17:00 GMT -6
I had actually considered just doing without the UAD stuff. But considering I don't usually use more than 5 or 6 UAD plugs consistently - the 6 for $699 deal...if I sold the Apollo for a ridiculous price of $3500 (that's like $50 per plug) and bought the satellite, claret and 6 for $699, I'd still pocket like $1500.
But finding someone to buy everything will be tough.
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2017 15:00:07 GMT -6
Yes, and I could do the same with the Clarett. You see my other option? That's what I'm leaning towards. In scenario 2, would you be rebuying plugs for the satellite? Just doesn't sound great to me. Are you able to buy the satellite first, move the plugs you want to keep across to the satellite, then flog the apollo? cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 15:08:08 GMT -6
You can park the plugs I believe.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 15:09:03 GMT -6
Seems like it's just a pita. I'm just gonna put the whole thing up and see if someone bites.
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Post by ragan on Mar 18, 2017 15:13:07 GMT -6
I don't think UA lets you split your licenses between devices, last I saw it was all or none, which is ridiculous. I'd love to be wrong.
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2017 15:18:31 GMT -6
I don't think UA lets you split your licenses between devices, last I saw it was all or none, which is ridiculous. I'd love to be wrong. I am probably wrong, as its ten years since I had UAD plugs... but I thought I read recently, you can create groups, and have the plugs split across multiple devices... so you can move them that way... check with someone who really knows though cheers Wiz
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Post by ragan on Mar 18, 2017 15:19:50 GMT -6
I don't think UA lets you split your licenses between devices, last I saw it was all or none, which is ridiculous. I'd love to be wrong. I am probably wrong, as its ten years since I had UAD plugs... but I thought I read recently, you can create groups, and have the plugs split across multiple devices... so you can move them that way... check with someone who really knows though cheers Wiz Yeah I read that too and then Matt (Kcat) got an official response from UA saying you can't. I can't remember which thread it was all on.
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Post by popmann on Mar 18, 2017 15:33:17 GMT -6
Funny--I thought one was horrible and the "other two" were functionally interchangeable. Wonder if the one you liked and I hated is the same one? I'll PM you so as not to ruin anyone else's fun.
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Post by wiz on Mar 18, 2017 16:17:40 GMT -6
I am probably wrong, as its ten years since I had UAD plugs... but I thought I read recently, you can create groups, and have the plugs split across multiple devices... so you can move them that way... check with someone who really knows though cheers Wiz Yeah I read that too and then Matt (Kcat) got an official response from UA saying you can't. I can't remember which thread it was all on. Damn, see... thats why you shouldn't listen to me... UA should do that. cheers Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 17:22:31 GMT -6
Funny--I thought one was horrible and the "other two" were functionally interchangeable. Wonder if the one you liked and I hated is the same one? I'll PM you so as not to ruin anyone else's fun. Yes, I liked the one you hated. Color me shocked.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 17:25:12 GMT -6
It's really not that big a deal, I could just buy the satellite and transfer them...but don't think I'm gonna bother with any of it unless someone wants to buy the whole kit and caboodle.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 18, 2017 17:27:57 GMT -6
Do UAD plugs have a $50 resale value? No way a clarett sounds better than a black face Apollo... No way I'm sorry I am not buying that... 40 plugins at $25 a piece I think is more realistic so say $14-$15 for Apollo and maybe $1000-$1200 for plugs so $2500... Just buy a satellite when you sell the BF Apollo... Or if you need more inputs beside SvartBox you would have to know how many and then worry about that later. Just get the Apollo sold and get your plugs back to keep yourself and your sessions good!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2017 17:29:35 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 18:26:53 GMT -6
Do UAD plugs have a $50 resale value? No way a clarett sounds better than a black face Apollo... No way I'm sorry I am not buying that... 40 plugins at $25 a piece I think is more realistic so say $14-$15 for Apollo and maybe $1000-$1200 for plugs so $2500... Just buy a satellite when you sell the BF Apollo... Or if you need more inputs beside SvartBox you would have to know how many and then worry about that later. Just get the Apollo sold and get your plugs back to keep yourself and your sessions good! Only one way to find out! Maybe I'll take one for the team and buy a used one.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 18, 2017 18:27:41 GMT -6
Yeah. I was thinking you could park them...or do you have to have at least one piece of hardware?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 18, 2017 19:01:45 GMT -6
You can, as you say park them in your account. They are yours so UA can't force you to sell them.
Apparently, UA wil transfer just an account to another UA user, as well, so you could sell just your purchased plugs ins to someone too.
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