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Post by Coil Audio on Mar 19, 2017 15:13:04 GMT -6
I added quite a bit of high shelf for that video. Listen closely and you'll hear some noise. Curious - What preamp did you use?
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Post by Ward on Mar 19, 2017 15:56:53 GMT -6
Who in this industry can afford multiple RCA 44s these days? I wish I had bought up a few of them during the 2008-2009 mini depression. Saw them going for $1450 on average, some as cheap as $750
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 19, 2017 16:36:31 GMT -6
Who in this industry can afford multiple RCA 44s these days? I wish I had bought up a few of them during the 2008-2009 mini depression. Saw them going for $1450 on average, some as cheap as $750 Yeah...
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Post by Ward on Mar 19, 2017 19:34:23 GMT -6
oh well, at least I have one. And it's a helluva mic. Even Wes Dooley said so.
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Post by jayfitz on Mar 20, 2017 10:48:24 GMT -6
If the Stager SR-1A is in the running, as Coil suggested and as it should be, let me know....we have one in stock that could be arranged to demo if you want.
Also, as far as Latch Lake stands go...the 2200 model is $499 and the "new" lighter, but stronger than anything else in its category, 1100 is $349. Getting a strong, well-made, lasting stand does not have to blow your mic budget...it should be PART of your mic budget.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 20, 2017 20:10:03 GMT -6
Not a "Christmas Uke". Needs to be red and green, not blue.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Mar 20, 2017 20:13:44 GMT -6
I added quite a bit of high shelf for that video. Listen closely and you'll hear some noise. Curious - What preamp did you use? Hmmm. I don't quite remember. Probably the SCA C84 (Millennia style) I built for it. Probably used a Cloudlifter too.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 20, 2017 20:17:48 GMT -6
I actually own his Stager SR2N mic and think it has a great modern sound. I have touch base with him about the sr1 but they are only made in small batches. I do intend to get one of his as a backup plan if the 44 scenario does not work out. Why are there very littlereviews onthis mic? When I reach for a ribbon the LAST thing I want is a "modern sound".
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Post by hadaja on Mar 20, 2017 21:34:08 GMT -6
I guess by modern sound i mean that the bottom end is not super huge, its still bigger then LDC and the hi- mids to top has a little more info in it then the Vintage Ribbons that start to roll off somewhere between 10-15K. The Stager SR2n has some hi - mids/top present.
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Post by Coil Audio on Mar 20, 2017 21:54:08 GMT -6
Curious - What preamp did you use? Hmmm. I don't quite remember. Probably the SCA C84 (Millennia style) I built for it. Probably used a Cloudlifter too. That makes sense - probably not the best preamp choice for an RCA ribbon mic since it likes/wants/needs to see a transformer at the other end to operate to its full design spec. Even with the cloudlifter -
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Post by bluegrassdan on Mar 20, 2017 22:08:26 GMT -6
I also used it with APIs, Vintechs, Grace, a few consoles, etc. It's a dark mic. Glorious mic.
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Post by Coil Audio on Mar 20, 2017 22:54:29 GMT -6
and it looks minty fresh too! Obviously wasn't doing time as a door stop during the 80's/90's ;P
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Post by gavg on Mar 21, 2017 18:34:34 GMT -6
I agree with drbill that nothing can replace the mojo of an RCA 44. I have recorded quite a bit with the AEA 44 (phantonm version)and the original and they are quite different, yet clearly share DNA.
On Vocals, what I have found is that the footprint of the sound (especially with the RCA) is so specific and noticable, that you really have to make the decision that that is the sound you are going for, for that track or project and commit to it. It's not for everything, or even for most things in my opinion. But when you want 'that' sound, nothing else will get it. Amazing, but not an everyday mic choice for me.
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Post by hadaja on Mar 22, 2017 6:18:11 GMT -6
Just wondering if i need then To start another thread specially about the Cloud 44a mic and the what the Stager SR1n mic sounds like? I am awaiting delivery of the Cloud 44a and i am contemplating getting the Stager one as well.
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Post by Ward on Mar 22, 2017 6:44:01 GMT -6
Just wondering if i need then To start another thread specially about the Cloud 44a mic and the what the Stager SR1n mic sounds like? I am awaiting delivery of the Cloud 44a and i am contemplating getting the Stager one as well. I think that's appropriate. The venerable RCA 44 definitely deserves its space after nearly 80 years of honorable service.
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Post by hadaja on Aug 21, 2017 9:23:09 GMT -6
Well i just placed an order for another one of Matts mics. The SR1a. Cant wait to get it. Will keep,you i formed how it fairs against the Cloud 44a which also is a lovely mic.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 21, 2017 14:49:57 GMT -6
A figure 8 ducks the room lots better than a cardioid!
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Post by joseph on Aug 21, 2017 16:13:09 GMT -6
A figure 8 ducks the room lots better than a cardioid! I read a comment once from David Josephson that he preferred U87 in fig 8 because it can help counteract standing waves.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 21, 2017 16:26:41 GMT -6
A cardioid is half figure 8 and half omni. The sides of a figure 8 reject far more than the back of a cardioid.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 21, 2017 20:25:30 GMT -6
Definitely easier to null bad room reflections with a ribbon than a cardioid or an omni. I don't own an RCA but I cut an album recently and used a ribbon for the lead vocals, ran it hot into my Art Tube MPAii for overdrive.
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Post by adamjbrass on Aug 22, 2017 10:58:19 GMT -6
I have been going through a ribbon phase. I am contemplating (possible delusion dreaming) of getting an RCA 44 and/or incarnation for use with predominantly Acoustic duties and Vocals. Does any one have success using this for Vocals? There has been some reviews talking about the huge proximity effect when using 44 incarnations with Vocals up close, so I am wondering if that necessitates a good acoustic room to compensate a further distance for recording. What 44 and/or 44 variations/clones have people here found useful in there actual experiences? Thanks I use my AEA 44 a lot on male and female vocals, but with the intention that it makes things sound much larger, warmer and wider. Softer and less highs and more thick mids and bass. I try to keep them further away too, as its not needed with that mic. Def need a decent room with figure eight mics in general, but since the 44 has so much low end and proximity effect you might have to futz around with it more on voices. Some voices sound great with it, others sound bloated, so its a crap shoot,
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Post by joseph on Aug 22, 2017 11:18:57 GMT -6
A cardioid is half figure 8 and half omni. The sides of a figure 8 reject far more than the back of a cardioid. Top and bottom too. Do fig 8 ribbons null more deeply at top and bottom than "fig 8" condensers? I would think so.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Aug 22, 2017 13:04:27 GMT -6
I've never paid much attention. The first mike I was taught to use in radio drama class was an RCA jr. velocity which looks like a small 44. I've never stopped using figure-8s.
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Post by jazznoise on Aug 22, 2017 17:49:23 GMT -6
A cardioid is half figure 8 and half omni. The sides of a figure 8 reject far more than the back of a cardioid. Top and bottom too. Do fig 8 ribbons null more deeply at top and bottom than "fig 8" condensers? I would think so. I would think the big difference is the off axis frequency response as large diaphragm mics can be very un-even when off axis. Excellent paper on dual diaphragm vs. single diaphragm condensors, not directly related but can be extrapolated from to better understand their operation. According to them, the low frequency response remains fig 8. cdn.shure.com/publication/upload/340/pdf_ea_dual_diaphragm_mics.pdf
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Post by EmRR on Aug 23, 2017 8:04:09 GMT -6
For a condenser that almost equals a ribbon in figure 8 polar response, you need a Sennheiser MKH30 or Neumann KM120, possibly the MBHO or Scheops or Ambient Recording Emesser products.
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