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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2017 12:28:33 GMT -6
New in v9.1 • SSL 4000 E Channel Strip Collection w/ Unison • Moog Multimode Filter Collection • Fuchs Overdrive Supreme 50 Amplifier w/ Unison (Brainworx) • bx_subsynth Subharmonic Synth (Brainworx) • OTO BISCUIT 8-bit effects (Softube) • Apollo Thunderbolt Multi-Unit for Windows 10 systems • Apollo FireWire Multi-Unit for Console 2 (Mac and Windows) Full release notes here - help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/art...-Release-Notesapparently they re-instated the upgrade pricing ? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2017 13:05:33 GMT -6
Not really anything I'm interested in...but I know a lot of people like the SSL stuff.
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Post by drsax on Mar 14, 2017 13:10:53 GMT -6
Multi-unit Thunderbolt on Win10 and multi-unit FireWire. Finally! Both big for UAD. Been waiting for the Multi unit thunderbolt support for Win 10!!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2017 13:14:45 GMT -6
Multi-unit Thunderbolt on Win10 and multi-unit FireWire. Finally! Both big for UAD. Been waiting for the Multi unit thunderbolt support for Win 10!! ya, that is really great for all our non mac tbolt friends and I hope lets ua now focus on features development as cross platform commonality is apparently achieved ? |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 14, 2017 14:54:41 GMT -6
I have never heard anyone praising an SSL preamp.. How do they sound? Are they " a classic " ? I know the consoles are Legend as well as the eq's and Bus comp, just I have never heard much regarding the preamps.
Is the ssl channel a mk2 or just unison added?
Update Pricing mk2:
Of course they went back to the " regular " upgrade policy. Im sure they felt a backlash which probably made some UAD users look elsewhere. Unfortunately it hasnt seemed like anyone has been buying plugs from UAD recently even with sales prices much less full price purchases. Just like no one is going to pay full price for a plug that is a mk2 because it's essentially an upgrade/ update...
Glad to see the multi unit for FireWire and Win, even tho it has been a long wait. I don't think I will be investing in any more UAD unless some innovative happens or a great trade in on UAD 3 Apollo's... We shall see 😀
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2017 15:12:43 GMT -6
I guess we understand the ua pricing differently, the new ssl E collection gets you both the brand new fully modelled plug in including the jenson transformers for the unison pre and the old legacy plug in in a combined price of $299.
If you have the original you can upgrade to the new for half price or $150.
I don't personally think $150 is crazy price: kush charges that ?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 14, 2017 16:16:24 GMT -6
I have never heard anyone ask for a unison SSL... What was wrong with the old SSL channel? So the new mk2 models a transformer based pre for Unison, that's really cool and from what I hear people like the Neve and API Unison the best... Is the transformer emulation available during mixing or Unison only? I'm not sure how that works when mixing because I have never used Unison before. I can think of many more plugs people want instead of an SSL update... That's all I was saying, it's just more of the same old from UAD, nothing really new... How many people have asked for la3a mk2?  And for how long? I have been begging for la3a mk2 but Now I'm looking into Black rooster audio because they modeled the acme audio opticom xla 3 plug that I love! |
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Post by ragan on Mar 14, 2017 16:29:41 GMT -6
I have never heard anyone praising an SSL preamp.. How do they sound? Are they " a classic " ? I know the consoles are Legend as well as the eq's and Bus comp, just I have never heard much regarding the preamps. Is the ssl channel a mk2 or just unison added? Update Pricing mk2: Of course they went back to the " regular " upgrade policy. Im sure they felt a backlash which probably made some UAD users look elsewhere. Unfortunately it hasnt seemed like anyone has been buying plugs from UAD recently even with sales prices much less full price purchases. Just like no one is going to pay full price for a plug that is a mk2 because it's essentially an upgrade/ update... Glad to see the multi unit for FireWire and Win, even tho it has been a long wait. I don't think I will be investing in any more UAD unless some innovative happens or a great trade in on UAD 3 Apollo's... We shall see 😀 Wait, you got ahold of leaked UAD sales figures??? Otherwise, how can you possibly know how many people are or aren't buying UAD plugs? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2017 16:55:10 GMT -6
I think UA develops stuff based on it's client surveys and since unison was released, like 2-3 years ago , many people at least at UA forum, have been requesting updates to their channel strips and new ones.
Unison works by first of all getting the apollo ic pre to take on the impedance characteristics of the pre that is being modelled, which affects the actual signal before conversion, then afterwards, the entire signal path of the ssl E channel is emulated in software, including the two eq colours: its way more than just the pre. They also have a nice tool kit of updated and or new presents.
I can only imagine that ua develops plugs ins based on areas of most need and requests and with a business eye to potential sales and revenues, its a business.
Don't hold your breath on UA starting a trade in deal, they have never done that yet so why start now ? Second party companies, like Vintage King and others have offered trade up deals but I personally didn't think they offered fair value , (easily $500 below the market) , so, I sold my apollos much more lucratively on the private market.
Personally, I think this is a really solid release from UA, getting the multi unit stuff working for everyone and a bakers half dozen of new plugs ins, not too shabby !
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 14, 2017 17:27:40 GMT -6
I have never heard anyone praising an SSL preamp.. How do they sound? Are they " a classic " ? I know the consoles are Legend as well as the eq's and Bus comp, just I have never heard much regarding the preamps. Is the ssl channel a mk2 or just unison added? Update Pricing mk2: Of course they went back to the " regular " upgrade policy. Im sure they felt a backlash which probably made some UAD users look elsewhere. Unfortunately it hasnt seemed like anyone has been buying plugs from UAD recently even with sales prices much less full price purchases. Just like no one is going to pay full price for a plug that is a mk2 because it's essentially an upgrade/ update... Glad to see the multi unit for FireWire and Win, even tho it has been a long wait. I don't think I will be investing in any more UAD unless some innovative happens or a great trade in on UAD 3 Apollo's... We shall see 😀 Wait, you got ahold of leaked UAD sales figures??? Otherwise, how can you possibly know how many people are or aren't buying UAD plugs? How many UAD plugs have you purchased in the last 6 months? How many native plugs in the past 6 months? Cost difference? Not sure if you are trying to be funny 😀 I'm speaking on real world engineers and musicians who I speak and work with that have not been buying the new plugs. Also, we speak on the expiring coupons and how if we could save up to 3 months ($75 - $100 ) of coupons and use those toward sale prices that month then we would make more purchases. Also, then it wouldn't matter if the plugs are $249-$349.. I have a fellow producers and engineers I mentor ( plus my mentors and teachers ) and they ( plus my mentors & teachers ) know we all use UAD based on sessions and convo about workflows and techniques. We all love the sound quality however other companies are stepping up as well SQ wise and they don't have ( impose ) a plugin limit or cause workarounds. The ppl I mentor a couple make some money from recording / beats / mixing but the majority haven't broken thru ( we all strive for right 😀) and when they see the cost of UAD just buying a quad or octo scares them away because that's more than their rent for a month or two (have families and mouths to feed) and that comes with really old plugs ( yes still sound good but for $1000 HW sharcs at least give the new 1176/ la2a mk2 ) Yes the plugs are great however there are other amazing alternatives as well. Believe me they hear the sound and want to invest into UAD it's just too much! For $1000 you get an octo plus analog classics and maybe 2 others like Harrison or Fairchild mk1... For $1000 at Slate that's 8 years of plugs and his whole collection plus everything else he release ( I am not a Slate fan boy I respect his grind and focus 110% though) For $1000 at Waves / FF / McDsp / Kush / PIA / Izotope you can stock up/ rent up/ be set for awhile with $500 and put $500 toward the other huge lists of things one needs to do this music thing 😩😀 On top of that, the Apollo twin doesn't have a lot of I/O for its price point but this is about UAD and the plug-ins. Forum talk and posts regarding UAD also share similar sentiments regarding UAD pricing and dsp usage. Also, most here in RGO praise the native Plugins and how the processing and quality is exponentially improving. Most UAD threads here seem to be balanced and even as I share I still want UAD to win! I want them to push the ball forward and keep us in the loop! And yes by no means did investing into UAD say anywhere they had to keep us informed with their blue print 😀 There are newer better more efficient sharc chips that have been available for UAD to employ.. Pretty sure we talked about the new sharcs in another thread , I am just trying to limit this to the plugin platform of UAD and its cost and my experience with my peers and recent sales. Have a great day Ragan sorry for the length... kcatthedog I agreed and said the multi unit was a huge deal for them and a big burden off their back and now they can focus on innovation😀 Or new stuff or maybe an la3a mk2 😀 By the way... Is Unison is SW or HW? I know the ic preamp impedance changes to emulate the preamp but that's after the AD conversion from my understanding... Can that Unison transformer emulation be used for mixing in the DAW? On a real console you can use the line or pre gain to sweeten the signal or you could pad down back into the preamp for more saturation and color ( prob not every track ) so I was asking how Unison channel strip works mixing wise or if it doesn't? Thanks in advance Kcat! |
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Post by ragan on Mar 14, 2017 17:44:35 GMT -6
Wait, you got ahold of leaked UAD sales figures??? Otherwise, how can you possibly know how many people are or aren't buying UAD plugs? How many UAD plugs have you purchased in the last 6 months? How many native plugs in the past 6 months? Cost difference? Not sure if you are trying to be funny 😀 I'm speaking on real world engineers and musicians who I speak and work with that have not been buying the new plugs. Also, we speak on the expiring coupons and how if we could save up to 3 months ($75 - $100 ) of coupons and use those toward sale prices that month then we would make more purchases. Also, then it wouldn't matter if the plugs are $249-$349.. I have a fellow producers and engineers I mentor ( plus my mentors and teachers ) and they ( plus my mentors & teachers ) know we all use UAD based on sessions and convo about workflows and techniques. We all love the sound quality however other companies are stepping up as well SQ wise and they don't have ( impose ) a plugin limit or cause workarounds. The ppl I mentor a couple make some money from recording / beats / mixing but the majority haven't broken thru ( we all strive for right 😀) and when they see the cost of UAD just buying a quad or octo scares them away because that's more than their rent for a month or two (have families and mouths to feed) and that comes with really old plugs ( yes still sound good but for $1000 HW sharcs at least give the new 1176/ la2a mk2 ) Yes the plugs are great however there are other amazing alternatives as well. Believe me they hear the sound and want to invest into UAD it's just too much! For $1000 you get an octo plus analog classics and maybe 2 others like Harrison or Fairchild mk1... For $1000 at Slate that's 8 years of plugs and his whole collection plus everything else he release ( I am not a Slate fan boy I respect his grind and focus 110% though) For $1000 at Waves / FF / McDsp / Kush / PIA / Izotope you can stock up/ rent up/ be set for awhile with $500 and put $500 toward the other huge lists of things one needs to do this music thing 😩😀 On top of that, the Apollo twin doesn't have a lot of I/O for its price point but this is about UAD and the plug-ins. Forum talk and posts regarding UAD also share similar sentiments regarding UAD pricing and dsp usage. Also, most here in RGO praise the native Plugins and how the processing and quality is exponentially improving. Most UAD threads here seem to be balanced and even as I share I still want UAD to win! I want them to push the ball forward and keep us in the loop! And yes by no means did investing into UAD say anywhere they had to keep us informed with their blue print 😀 There are newer better more efficient sharc chips that have been available for UAD to employ.. Pretty sure we talked about the new sharcs in another thread , I am just trying to limit this to the plugin platform of UAD and its cost and my experience with my peers and recent sales. Have a great day Ragan sorry for the length... kcatthedog I agreed and said the multi unit was a huge deal for them and a big burden off their back and now they can focus on innovation😀 Or new stuff or maybe an la3a mk2 😀 By the way... Is Unison is SW or HW? I know the ic preamp impedance changes to emulate the preamp but that's after the AD conversion from my understanding... Can that Unison transformer emulation be used for mixing in the DAW? On a real console you can use the line or pre gain to sweeten the signal or you could pad down back into the preamp for more saturation and color ( prob not every track ) so I was asking how Unison channel strip works mixing wise or if it doesn't? Thanks in advance Kcat! I was joking mostly, just pointing out that a few people that any one of us talk to do not constitute real insight into how well or poorly UaD's plug sales are doing. We simply don't know. As to your question, I haven't bought any UAD plugs in the last 6 months, nor have I bought any native plugs (I don't think) but that's cause my money has been going elsewhere. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2017 17:52:20 GMT -6
"By the way... Is Unison is SW or HW? I know the ic preamp impedance changes to emulate the preamp but that's after the AD conversion from my understanding... Can that Unison transformer emulation be used for mixing in the DAW?"
its kind of both but staged ?
The unison impedance load of the IC pre happens before the conversion so its like a HW component, everything else is post conversion and in SW. The sonic effect of the impedance load is printed with your signal if you are recording so that is in the track in your daw. If you tracked wet with the other elements of the unison channel strip, they too will be recorded or you could simply monitor those. After tracking, you can still continue to use the channel strip in your daw but not the pre any longer, so you could use the gate, eq, comp, etc while mixing.
I think the only thing you can't do with unison in your daw is the impedance load as that only works when the plug in is in UA console unison (top) slot ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 14, 2017 17:55:22 GMT -6
Now I'm looking into Black rooster audio because they modeled the acme audio opticom xla 3 plug that I love! You know that Plugin Alliance makes an emulation right? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 14, 2017 17:59:06 GMT -6
ChaseUTB said, I have never heard anyone praising an SSL preamp".
I've always liked SSL's preamps. I was sitting in a Neo session, and a James Blunt session, and it was killing, straight into the SSL. Last summer I got to do a mic shootout at the Barbershop Studios thanks to Jeremy Gillespie. use for fun, after we ran the mics through the SSL, we tried the vintage Neve preamps they had there. The SSL was definitely better. Can't say mine is the last word, but there it is.
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Post by matt on Mar 14, 2017 18:23:36 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 14, 2017 18:27:35 GMT -6
Now I'm looking into Black rooster audio because they modeled the acme audio opticom xla 3 plug that I love! You know that Plugin Alliance makes an emulation right? From what I understand, BRA helped Plugin Alliance make/ code/ dsp design the opticom plug... Black Rooster makes la3a and has been getting great reviews so I'm interested 😀 The acme audio opticom xla 3 is on sale right now at plugin alliance by itself or with the twin topology millennia... ragan thanks for understanding and yes 5 ppl isn't " customers as a whole " however i feel it's enough to make the comments I have made and believe me 4 out of the 5 UAD power users I referenced have no money problems and still feel this way, it's not just ppl like me and up and comers... kcatthedog Thanks, I always wondered how the Unison thing is actually working ... So the Unison is a preamp only thing... So if I am using the channel strip for mixing will I not be able to use the transformer modeling of the preamp ? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 14, 2017 18:54:29 GMT -6
I may have to demo this.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2017 19:49:11 GMT -6
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 14, 2017 20:18:05 GMT -6
Well cool news the SSL E is a mk2 completely " remodeled " not just a Unison pre added...
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 14, 2017 22:02:54 GMT -6
The SSL pre definitely has its place. I know people love to rag on them, but Id say they have never spent much time with them or are just jumping on the "shit on SSL" bandwagon.
They are serious pro pieces of gear. We aren't talking Presonus here...
Are they ever the first pre I pick in the room? No. But they get lots of use. Plenty of engineers come In and don't touch a single piece of outboard gear.
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Post by javamad on Mar 15, 2017 5:58:31 GMT -6
I installed the new release with no issues and of course demo'd the SSL (I have the legacy one)
I ran a set of tones through them both old and new, combining 10 tones through 10 tracks each with an instance of the SSL strip summed ITB, with the same settings on each and there are definitely differences in the results; more harmonics in the new one and the resulting summed signal being around 8db quieter from the new one (maybe the gain settings are different). I did this to verify that it's not just a new skin, I'm cynical like that :-D
At $149 ... I might just consider it :-) The next 14 days will tell.
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Post by keymod on Mar 16, 2017 5:56:35 GMT -6
I got it for $49.00 because I had two coupons. Didn't even have to try it at that price.
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And for how long? I have been begging for la3a mk2 but Now I'm looking into Black rooster audio because they modeled the acme audio opticom xla 3 plug that I love! 
