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Post by ragan on Mar 14, 2017 12:21:32 GMT -6
Right now, feeling pretty giddy with the ProL. The dither on this thing is very sweet, and the oversampling, just top notch. Definitely a huuuuuuge step forward for me. Bill, is this your first foray into FabFilter? Watch out, their stuff is incredible. If you haven't, grab a demo of ProQ2 and ProMB. I do all my heavy lifting, tone sculpting wise, with hardware and then all the tweaky finesse stuff with FF, for the most part. The combination of incredibly intuitive, unique GUI and excellent sonics are unparalleled in my view. Plus as you buy plugs from them, you get bigger and bigger discounts on others (login to see your price). Can't speak highly enough of FF.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2017 13:08:00 GMT -6
You compare the Pro-L to the Stealth? I thought the Stealth could get louder with less artifacts. Not as feature filled, though.
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Post by drbill on Mar 14, 2017 13:40:13 GMT -6
Right now, feeling pretty giddy with the ProL. The dither on this thing is very sweet, and the oversampling, just top notch. Definitely a huuuuuuge step forward for me. Bill, is this your first foray into FabFilter? Watch out, their stuff is incredible. If you haven't, grab a demo of ProQ2 and ProMB. I do all my heavy lifting, tone sculpting wise, with hardware and then all the tweaky finesse stuff with FF, for the most part. The combination of incredibly intuitive, unique GUI and excellent sonics are unparalleled in my view. Plus as you buy plugs from them, you get bigger and bigger discounts on others (login to see your price). Can't speak highly enough of FF. Yeah, this is my first go-around with FF. I'm sure I'll end up with more eventually.
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Post by drbill on Mar 14, 2017 13:44:32 GMT -6
You compare the Pro-L to the Stealth? I thought the Stealth could get louder with less artifacts. Not as feature filled, though. I didn't get to try everything. I've heard such great things about FF that when I got to it and it worked, that was good enough for me. Looking for depth of imaging, sparkle of strings and fingers meshing together, release of congested feel on top end, etc.. It did it, and it just worked, so I got on with it. Not sure if it's the best or the right one, but it's working, I'm happy and that's enough for me today. This stuff I'm on is very acoustic and transparent - often without much bottom end, and no drums or perc, so getting it loud was a bit of a challenge. At least for L2007. The L2007 stuff I mastered yesterday sounds congested, and like it had a LPF on everything. Hopefully I can try Stealth at some point. The dither of ProL alone made it a worthwhile investment.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2017 13:56:25 GMT -6
Cool. I was just wondering if I had missed something with Pro-L. I might give them both a go next time and compare again.
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Post by ragan on Mar 14, 2017 13:57:47 GMT -6
Cool. I was just wondering if I had missed something with Pro-L. I might give them both a go next time and compare again. I'd be interested in your thoughts. I've never used the Stealth. I'll demo it.
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 16, 2017 6:27:13 GMT -6
I like the PL-2 but only after I modded it. Now it sounds great and is very useful. I bet it would sound really nice on the music you work on. I use it on the master and often inside a mix on either busses or individual tracks. I know this is a plugin thread, but what did you do and what did it accomplish? Seems I recall a post somewhere about this mod?
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Post by ludwigvanbeartrap on Mar 16, 2017 6:36:53 GMT -6
I mean...it's 2017 and I'm still using a plugin limiter from like the 20th century?? TC Brickwall Limiter, which I run 32-bit Windows XP on an old Pentium IV PC linked to my current iMac with VEPro. Still sounds great to me! Well...as great as any plugin limiter, I suppose. I really don't much care for any of them. Interested in that PL-2.
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 20, 2017 8:47:19 GMT -6
Was using fab filter but now 100% DMG Limitless. Amazing plug in.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 20, 2017 9:16:32 GMT -6
Was using fab filter but now 100% DMG Limitless. Amazing plug in. I just played with Limitless for a bit. There were so many options it made my eyes cross, though. Any suggestions?
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Post by ChaseUTB on Mar 20, 2017 10:25:31 GMT -6
Try limiter no6 if you use cubase it's free vst limiter. Very easy layout and won't make your head spin like ProL or limitless.. It features a brick wall limiter, RMS compressor, isp limit, HF limit plus a clipper. All individual sections that are off and you have to turn on! vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/limiter6/ProL needs an update IMO I have been using it extensively over the weekend and idk if the attack and release interaction is throwing me off but I can't seem to get the results I want efficiently. Plus the metering is throwing me off with ProL ( maybe there metering is calibrated differently than most meters )
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Post by roundbadge on Mar 20, 2017 13:52:22 GMT -6
Was using fab filter but now 100% DMG Limitless. Amazing plug in. I just played with Limitless for a bit. There were so many options it made my eyes cross, though. Any suggestions? Ha lots of tweak-ability there ! I started with one of the presets then customized it to what I liked I have a high pass @ 15hz, isp engaged, stereo link at 30% Sometimes clipping very low at 16x oversampling. Some other stuff is have to open it up and look. It's by far the easiest limiter to get things sounding loud and punchy and actually not butchering the mix imo.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 21, 2017 13:16:46 GMT -6
I'm a Pro-L guy meself. Love that thing. It's the only plugin I use on literally every mix. Pro-Q2 is probably next on the list.
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Post by john on May 9, 2017 10:14:58 GMT -6
My Limitless demo expired this week. I will definitely be buying this weekend. Thanks to Roundbadge for yet another solid recommendation.
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Post by ChaseUTB on May 9, 2017 12:27:57 GMT -6
It's amazing how much info I added to this thread that was glossed over ๐๐๐ Love my limiters and love my music loud but not painful.... ๐ซ๐๐ I feel learning how to mix a loud track before limiting is the key to having a loud mix ... one or two limiters can aid but it's not an answer or solution to " getting loud and punchy "
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Post by drbill on May 9, 2017 13:54:33 GMT -6
It's amazing how much info I added to this thread that was glossed over ๐๐๐f What do you feel was glossed over? I like dynamic range, and would generally prefer to not have any compression, and minimal limiting on the 2 bus, but I live in 2017. I'd rather have my music chosen to be used in TV, Films, Commercials, Games, Corporate, etc. than having the dynamic range I prefer. So.....Limit I must. ProL has worked out very well as a final stage, and as a dithering stage (with no limiting) in conjuntion with a Silver Bullet shaving transients, and a VariMu gelling stuff together. And the OCCASIONAL use of an SSL buss comp.
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Post by iamasound on May 10, 2017 5:08:57 GMT -6
I second, third and fourth Vlad's Limiterยฐ6, as combining all the stages can produce a very unnoticable, transparent limiting. It takes a little tweaking to get it to that silent running zone, but in my opinion it is a great tool and worth the effort (however, my time is not money as is for so many here)...and FREE! FF Pro L is fantastic and the previously mentioned dithering is super. I can get to where I need to go much quicker with the Pro L, but although it might take a bit more time to dial it in, Limiterยฐ6 is dreamily pleasing to watch as all those dials dance and jive to the music pulsing through its virtual, binary veins. You certainly cannot go wrong with either.
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Post by drbill on May 16, 2017 11:20:24 GMT -6
An update for me.....
Pro L has been absolutely killing it. I'm finding that I have to go back and remaster everything for some imminent releases and it's both exciting and a bummer. ProL is so much more open and smoother than L2007 (which is what I had been using) that it's just ridiculous. Stuff is sounding MUCH more open, relaxed and overall - significantly better.
And the thing that really surprised me most - it's capable of more (much more) reduction without getting so bloated in the lows / low mids.
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Post by ragan on May 16, 2017 11:25:46 GMT -6
An update for me..... Pro L has been absolutely killing it. I'm finding that I have to go back and remaster everything for some imminent releases and it's both exciting and a bummer. ProL is so much more open and smoother than L2007 (which is what I had been using) that it's just ridiculous. Stuff is sounding MUCH more open, relaxed and overall - significantly better. And the thing that really surprised me most - it's capable of more (much more) reduction without getting so bloated in the lows / low mids. Yeah I don't think L2007 really hangs in the same league as ProL. It (L2007) can be really cool for smashing things but it's not the big league tool that ProL is, in my opinion.
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Post by drbill on May 16, 2017 13:20:01 GMT -6
Yup. Not even close IMO. 2 dimensional, crushed, congested.
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Post by Ward on May 17, 2017 6:46:04 GMT -6
An update for me..... Pro L has been absolutely killing it. I'm finding that I have to go back and remaster everything for some imminent releases and it's both exciting and a bummer. ProL is so much more open and smoother than L2007 (which is what I had been using) that it's just ridiculous. Stuff is sounding MUCH more open, relaxed and overall - significantly better. And the thing that really surprised me most - it's capable of more (much more) reduction without getting so bloated in the lows / low mids. Computer software based limiting is based on maths. They're doing much better maths these days!
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