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Post by ragan on Feb 17, 2017 18:00:48 GMT -6
Maybe there was already a thread about this? Couldn't find it just now.
How do you guys treat drums, generally? I'm not as much interested in specific EQing, comp tricks, but more like how do you set up your drum bus(es).
I've generally just been sending all my drum mics to two auxes, one with 1176 and one without. Each aux might have some EQ too but for the most part it's just a straight up parallel compression setup. Individual tracks have their own processing of course, I print hardware for all individual channels.
It's what I've found works for me at this point, but I want to try some other things.
What do you guys do?
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 17, 2017 19:53:17 GMT -6
You have your tracks output routed to an aux with no compressor, then using sends for the parallel compression aux?
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 17, 2017 20:30:16 GMT -6
I usually go all to one bus. Treat the individual channels i.e., kick snare, etc with comp, eq, replacement then route to an Aux. then comp win HP. Maybe tape effects. I might parallel by sending that pre fader to another aux and slam with a comp. The mix knobs on these plugin comps are killer...but sometimes slamming hardware on a parallel aux is killer.
I wonder if guys are doing the vocal trick thing where they route the snare to different aux's ie dry, 1176, dbx whatever. That seems like a pita. Reallllly wish UA would add mix knobs to their 76's.
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Post by ragan on Feb 17, 2017 23:01:21 GMT -6
You have your tracks output routed to an aux with no compressor, then using sends for the parallel compression aux? I just set the outputs of my individual drum tracks as a 'new track' in PT, make it a stereo aux and then duplicate it. So all individual tracks are going to both auxes. I used to use sends for the compression aux, can't remember why I switched. |
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Post by ragan on Feb 17, 2017 23:02:44 GMT -6
I usually go all to one bus. Treat the individual channels i.e., kick snare, etc with comp, eq, replacement then route to an Aux. then comp win HP. Maybe tape effects. I might parallel by sending that pre fader to another aux and slam with a comp. The mix knobs on these plugin comps are killer...but sometimes slamming hardware on a parallel aux is killer. I wonder if guys are doing the vocal trick thing where they route the snare to different aux's ie dry, 1176, dbx whatever. That seems like a pita. Reallllly wish UA would add mix knobs to their 76's. Yeah, I've tried multing kick and snare, with varied success. I usually use a pair of WA76 on the parallel aux. I just like the sound of it better than plugs, typically. I used to use a second 7720, which was also cool. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 18, 2017 3:51:57 GMT -6
You have your tracks output routed to an aux with no compressor, then using sends for the parallel compression aux? You can highlight each track by command clicking or shift clicking the first and the last track selection you want in the group. Using the latter shift + option click new track under output menu. This will send every tracks that is highlighted in that group to a new aux. Title this aux sDrums ( s for subgroup ). I then assign a VCA to the group Called drums (vDrums) v for vca. Now all drums are routed to the vca group and then the aux subgroup. You can send from the sDrums to a parallel compression aux chain or use individual sends from the individual tracks in the drum group to a parallel compression aux chain. I experience the same results using either sDrums send or ind. track sends. Also, this is the same for HW or SW or both. I drive each level accordingly to get the proper balance and use the VCA to drive and the subgroup to level ( I'm talking fader moves, I was taught this way, drive into the VCA, level off with Subgroup (sDrums for example ) Most times I group my kick drum and bass in their own respective groups aside from the drums. I find the compressor compressed more smoothly when the peakiest transient is left out so I don't Corrine the with the snare and kick being included in the drum group and not and whichever sounds better I roll with! |
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 18, 2017 6:39:16 GMT -6
You have your tracks output routed to an aux with no compressor, then using sends for the parallel compression aux? I just set the outputs of my individual drum tracks as a 'new track' in PT, make it a stereo aux and then duplicate it. So all individual tracks are going to both auxes. I used to use sends for the compression aux, can't remember why I switched. Sometimes I'll use sends in order to send different tracks at different levels into parallel compression. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 18, 2017 8:14:18 GMT -6
Sometimes I'll just route the kick and snare to parallel comp to crush.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 18, 2017 8:30:01 GMT -6
Here's how I set it up. By "->" I mean output. In Cubase they're called Groups:
top/bottom snare mic-> mono snare bus-> Stereo Drum Bus
in/out kicks mics->mono kick bus-> Stereo Drum Bus
L/R overhead -> Stereo OH bus-> Stereo Drum Bus
ambience mics-> Stereo ambience bus-> Stereo Drum Bus
I also set up a stereo parallel compression bus (API 2500) and two mono parallel compressor bus's using Distressors. I use the "send" feature, like you'd send to a reverb for example. These parallel compressor groups output to the Stereo Drum bus.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 18, 2017 9:31:57 GMT -6
I do similar. I'll usually link the snares and other instruments instead of grouping.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 18, 2017 14:11:32 GMT -6
All drum mic outputs are sent via bus to a Stereo Drum Aux Channel. Inserted on the Aux channel is a 33609 (generally) and that is outputted to 1/2 of the Dbox
Each Drum track is also bused post fader to another Aux Channel that I call Drum Slam. This channel also has a compressor on it that I set to compress the quieter parts of the song. The output of this aux is sent to the Stereo Drum Aux channel.
You can then automate the fader of the Drum Slam track into the Drum Aux Channel so that the quiet parts of the song are treated compression wise differently than the loud parts of the song. Keeps things from overly pumping like crazy.
I have no idea if that explanation makes any sense...
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Post by ChaseUTB on Feb 18, 2017 19:38:06 GMT -6
Filet the fish and skin the cat
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 18, 2017 19:51:31 GMT -6
Forgot to mention that the method I put above is only when I'm mixing ITB. If I'm on the console I've got no need to do any of that. Seems like I have to do so much more to get the desired results I want when I'm ITB with a summing mixer.
It's taken a long time and lots of frustration but I'm finally happy with results from my ITB/Dbox/2Bus Chain.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 18, 2017 20:27:54 GMT -6
Never thought about using the dbox for just drums...might be cool. Kick(s) on 7 snare(s) on 8 hat & toms on 1-2, OH on 3-4 and Room(s) on 5-6...Then bounce back in as a stereo track...then do the drumbus chain. Considering how much tweaking I do along the way, that might be a real PITA...but who knows...
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Post by jeremygillespie on Feb 18, 2017 22:04:44 GMT -6
Never thought about using the dbox for just drums...might be cool. Kick(s) on 7 snare(s) on 8 hat & toms on 1-2, OH on 3-4 and Room(s) on 5-6...Then bounce back in as a stereo track...then do the drumbus chain. Considering how much tweaking I do along the way, that might be a real PITA...but who knows... Hmmm, I haven't ever considered that either. Now you have me thinking. There goes my free day tomorrow. Thanks a lot! |
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Post by schmalzy on Feb 18, 2017 22:58:34 GMT -6
Never thought about using the dbox for just drums...might be cool. Kick(s) on 7 snare(s) on 8 hat & toms on 1-2, OH on 3-4 and Room(s) on 5-6...Then bounce back in as a stereo track...then do the drumbus chain. Considering how much tweaking I do along the way, that might be a real PITA...but who knows... I've been considering something like this with my console. Run my drums eight channels out to my console (that doesn't get much mixing use - long story) to sum with a little bit of hair from driving gain stages. Stereo out to my eight channels of passive summing which will be getting the rest of the mix. Who am I kidding, I'm not about to deal with that recall! That's why I've stuck with passive summing - less shit to get wrong in the recall! |
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